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...SECOND Best Player of All Time...

View Poll Results: 2nd best player of all time?
Gordie Howe 22 10.95%
Bobby Orr 86 42.79%
Mario Lemieux 71 35.32%
Rocket Richard 3 1.49%
Doug Harvey 1 0.50%
Terry Sawchuk 1 0.50%
Guy Lafleur 0 0%
Other (specify). 17 8.46%
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12-08-2009, 12:12 PM
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Maurice Richard followed by Bobby Orr followed by Gretzky followed by Lemieux.

The best NHL player is Rich "Waiver wire pickup" Peverley.

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12-08-2009, 01:22 PM
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1. Gretzky single-handedly changed the game to all-out offense in the 80's. A goaltender's nightmare. We haven't seen it since and we likely won't see it ever again.

2. Orr was a game-changer who showed that you don't have to hang back in your own zone to play incredible defense. No Orr = No Coffey, Potvin, Bourque, Housley etc.

3. Lemieux came back from cancer and lit up the NHL during the 'dead puck' era. That counts for something. Incredible talent. But since he came in around the Gretzky years, he's been overshadowed his whole career.

4. Howe was the most consistent and longest-lasting player ever. Best of the original six era.

5. Bourque was the dominant defenseman of the 80's and early 90's, the highest-scoring era so far. During his Norris years, he had amassed an amazing +237. Remarkable for that period. Chelios and Leetch were also great around then.

6. Richard was a great scorer in an era of poor offense and tight goaltending. But he had a helluva supporting cast (incl. Doug Harvey) and some shallow competition.

7. Roy. Likely the best goalie of all time. Sawchuk, Hasek, and Broduer all benefitted from playing in an era of poor offense. Roy not so much. With goaltenders it's all about the team, the era and the competition.

8. Lafleur was a great player on a dominant team.

9. Lidstrom's career puts him at #3 best defender of all time. Just ahead of...

10. Paul Coffey, who was the best pure offensive defenseman ever. (aside from Orr)


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12-08-2009, 02:12 PM
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1 - Bobby Orr
2 - Mario Lemieux
3 - Wayne Gretzky

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12-08-2009, 02:24 PM
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1. Howe
2. Orr
3. Gretzky
4. Lemieux

Those are the only four players one should have in their top list. Howe brought everything plus he was rarely injured.

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12-08-2009, 02:27 PM
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1. Gretzky single-handedly changed the game to all-out offense in the 80's. A goaltender's nightmare. We haven't seen it since and we likely won't see it ever again.

2. Orr was a game-changer who showed that you don't have to hang back in your own zone to play incredible defense. No Orr = No Coffey, Potvin, Bourque, Housley etc.

3. Lemieux came back from cancer and lit up the NHL during the 'dead puck' era. That counts for something. Incredible talent. But since he came in around the Gretzky years, he's been overshadowed his whole career.

4. Howe was the most consistent and longest-lasting player ever. Best of the original six era.

5. Bourque was the dominant defenseman of the 80's and early 90's, the highest-scoring era so far. During his Norris years, he had amassed an amazing +237. Remarkable for that period. Chelios and Leetch were also great around then.

6. Richard was a great scorer in an era of poor offense and tight goaltending. But he had a helluva supporting cast (incl. Doug Harvey) and some shallow competition.

7. Roy. Likely the best goalie of all time. Sawchuk, Hasek, and Broduer all benefitted from playing in an era of poor offense. Roy not so much. With goaltenders it's all about the team, the era and the competition.

8. Lafleur was a great player on a dominant team.

9. Lidstrom's career puts him at #3 best defender of all time. Just of...

10. Paul Coffey, who was the best pure offensive defenseman ever.
Anyone that has Coffey in their top ten players of all time needs to do some research or visit the History of Hockey board. Some knowledgable people put him just barely in the top ten or outside of defensemen. You have him ahead of Harvey and Shore.

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12-08-2009, 02:28 PM
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1. Gretzky
2. Howe
3. Orr
4. Lemieux

Those are the only ones who should be considered.

Next I have:

5. Jean Beliveau
6. Bobby Hull
7. Eddie Shore

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12-08-2009, 03:06 PM
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If you're being sarcastic, then...

If you're being serious, then...

(but um, if you are serious, who is #1?)
Orr.

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Bobby Orr is the Best of All-Time.

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Orr, but Im not really sure since im only 20

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Wayne Gretzky at #2. Bobby Orr is my #1.

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Wayne Gretzky at #2. Bobby Orr is my #1.
Came here to post this.

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1. Lemieux
2. Gretz
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1. Gretzky
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3. Lemieux
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12-08-2009, 05:19 PM
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i can't see how people can put lemieux as the best of all time, definitely 3rd but i can't see him ahead of orr/gretzky.

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Anyone that has Coffey in their top ten players of all time needs to do some research or visit the History of Hockey board. Some knowledgable people put him just barely in the top ten or outside of defensemen. You have him ahead of Harvey and Shore.
Coffey is pretty darn underrated if you ask me. Being 12th overall in career scoring while being over a point-per-game for his career is amazing for a defenseman. He either owns or comes fairly close to Orr in every defenseman scoring record.

One of the fastest, if not the fastest skaters ever, Coffey had 'game-changer' written all over him.

Still, i had him ranked 10th. Big deal. Tomorrow i could pick Sakic.

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12-08-2009, 07:07 PM
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Not sure why Gretzky is assumed #1, on most of the polls for best all-time it goes back and forth closely between him and B. Orr. Personally like many here I'd take Orr #1 and say Gretzky is #2.

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Gretzky...Orr is #1

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Not sure why Gretzky is assumed #1, on most of the polls for best all-time it goes back and forth closely between him and B. Orr. Personally like many here I'd take Orr #1 and say Gretzky is #2.
He's assumed number 1, because he's the greatest player to ever play. Bobby Orr and he are run away 1, 2 players to ever play. Lemieux isn't as close as people think.

However, I think most people put Orr number one because of how he revolutionized the d position. Well, he didn't, players before Orr were doing the same. So, if you want to take into account of skill and changing the game, well, there's Maurice Richard who beats Orr out. In changing the game.

Had Orr been able to play a full career, he would have more than likely put up ridiculous numbers. Then again, had Lindros been able to play his entire career, he would have put up ridiculous numbers too. Orr didn't, so he's second. Greatest defenseman ever and more than likely no one will ever come close to his excellence in that position, but not greatest overall. That honour and distinction belongs to Wayne Gretzky.

EDIT: By doing the same, I mean rushing the puck and being somewhat successful. Yes, Orr did it effortlessly and yes Orr practically floated by everyone and scored, go back to the faceoff circle, get the puck and could do it again, but that's just taking something already being done and taking it to another level. A symbol of greatness.

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I picked other, and my vote is Gretzky. Lemieux is #1.

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I would make a bigger post but I do not have time. I'll summarize Howe's accomplishments by saying that Howe finished top five in scoring twenty times and was a finalist for the Hart Trophy fifteen times. That's from memory so those numbers could be off.

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I would make a bigger post but I do not have time. I'll summarize Howe's accomplishments by saying that Howe finished top five in scoring twenty times and was a finalist for the Hart Trophy fifteen times. That's from memory so those numbers could be off.
Pretty good memory...you're dead on about the 20 Top 5 finishes. As for the Hart Trophy, it depends what you call a finalist. Most people would say Top 3, which he did 12 times. Howe was a Top 5 finisher in Hart voting 15 times, which is probably what you were thinking of. Simply amazing, how anyone has him outside of their Top 4 all time is mind boggling to me.

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Brett Hull.

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