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12-09-2009, 07:10 AM
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Wings at the trade deadline

What are your thoughts on what Holland might do at the deadline? We are in that awkward position where we may get a few people back right around then, but I have a hunch that, with speculation about Ray Whitney being Carolina's prime bargaining chip, and with our penchant for bringing the band back...

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12-09-2009, 07:13 AM
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IMO a great trade will be getting Franzen back.

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12-09-2009, 10:59 AM
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Why in god earth would Holland want to bring Whitney back?

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Why in god earth would Holland want to bring Whitney back?
Just consider the fact that the 03-04 Red Wings had a little more talent and depth than the 09-10 Red Wings, and also had less injuries to deal with as well. Ray Whitney was a 3rd line player on that team. On this years team, I'd say he's a 2nd, if not 1st, line player.

With that being said, however, I don't think Holland does anything at the trade deadline, much less make a trade with Carolina of all teams. If Franzen can come back, that'll basically be the big roster move.

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Instead of starting a new thread, I figure I'd just dump this here.

Nylander was just put on waivers again by Washington.

Now, I'm not saying the Wings should claim him at full salary, but if, for some strange, VERY UNLIKELY reason Detroit could get him on re-entry waivers, does anyone think Holland should bite?

If Babcock is going to play D and Z together, they'll need an actual, bone fide second line center even when Flip comes back, and then they could send Abdelkadabra back to Grand Rapids to get some real top-line minutes and refine his game a bit.

Other people might have to be waived or whatever, especially when Williams returns, but such is the game.

D/Z/H
Bert/Nylander/Cleary
Leino/Flip/Williams
Draper/Helm/Eaves
*May
*Maltby
*Miller

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Instead of starting a new thread, I figure I'd just dump this here.

Nylander was just put on waivers again by Washington.

Now, I'm not saying the Wings should claim him at full salary, but if, for some strange, VERY UNLIKELY reason Detroit could get him on re-entry waivers, does anyone think Holland should bite?

If Babcock is going to play D and Z together, they'll need an actual, bone fide second line center even when Flip comes back, and then they could send Abdelkadabra back to Grand Rapids to get some real top-line minutes and refine his game a bit.

Other people might have to be waived or whatever, especially when Williams returns, but such is the game.

D/Z/H
Bert/Nylander/Cleary
Leino/Flip/Williams
Draper/Helm/Eaves
*May
*Maltby
*Miller
First of all at this point in this season I would NEVER send Abdelakder back down before Leino.

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12-09-2009, 05:14 PM
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First of all at this point in this season I would NEVER send Abdelakder back down before Leino.
So you'd rather expose Leino to waivers and potentially lose him for nothing?

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Just consider the fact that the 03-04 Red Wings had a little more talent and depth than the 09-10 Red Wings, and also had less injuries to deal with as well. Ray Whitney was a 3rd line player on that team. On this years team, I'd say he's a 2nd, if not 1st, line player.

With that being said, however, I don't think Holland does anything at the trade deadline, much less make a trade with Carolina of all teams. If Franzen can come back, that'll basically be the big roster move.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Holland deal for a guy like Aaron Ward.

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So you'd rather expose Leino to waivers and potentially lose him for nothing?
I believe Leino still has options?

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I believe Leino still has options?
His option is going back to Finland.

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Holland will not make a trade with Carolina.

And if we want to talk about the Wings at the trade deadline, then we should be talking about being sellers as much as buyers. Both are strong possibilities.

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Holland will not make a trade with Carolina.

And if we want to talk about the Wings at the trade deadline, then we should be talking about being sellers as much as buyers. Both are strong possibilities.
I think there's a 0% chance the Wings are sellers no matter the circumstances.

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I think there's a 0% chance the Wings are sellers no matter the circumstances.
No matter the circumstances? Thats rather obtuse. They'll take whatever they can get for Williams and Bertuzzi at the deadline if they're out of the race.

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Holland will not make a trade with Carolina.

And if we want to talk about the Wings at the trade deadline, then we should be talking about being sellers as much as buyers. Both are strong possibilities.
Why? carolina is bottoming out and have some UFA to unload. Detroit is usually looking to pick up someone like Ward for some insurance in the playoffs. It's not like they haven't made a deal in the past - we traded Ward to them in the first place.

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Why? carolina is bottoming out and have some UFA to unload. Detroit is usually looking to pick up someone like Ward for some insurance in the playoffs. It's not like they haven't made a deal in the past - we traded Ward to them in the first place.
Because Illitch and Karmanos are mortal enemies.

Seriously.

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Because Illitch and Karmanos are mortal enemies.

Seriously.
And their teams have already dealt with eachother in the past, as I've already shown. Too much is made of any personal animosity between the two owners. If the GMs work out a deal that each is happy with, they'll do it.

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curiosity mostly, but I don't see many wings games and we have a crazy post over in our board suggesting that there are 4 teams in the west monitoring Halak and detroit makes sense due to the age of osgood but I don't know how you guys really feel about the whole situation, do you think holland would be interested in Halak

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curiosity mostly, but I don't see many wings games and we have a crazy post over in our board suggesting that there are 4 teams in the west monitoring Halak and detroit makes sense due to the age of osgood but I don't know how you guys really feel about the whole situation, do you think holland would be interested in Halak
Halak would have to be conclusively better than Howard, and to a lessor extent Larsson for the wings to have interest.

He isnt. Biron is a possibility cause he is a veteran. Halak not so much. We have our own solid young goalies.

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I don't think Holland would be interested at this point. Howard is playing well and Larsson seems to be doing quite well in the AHL. If something doesn't work out between Howard and Osgood, there is no reason to go after another team's young (?) goalie before testing out our own.



As for the trade deadline, I'm all for standing pat. I have a long term mindset and I do not want to see prospects get traded for a short term boost. We have as much talent as most teams do even with our injuries. By the time the deadline rolls around, if we are not in the top 8 with the players we have, then I can't see how bringing in another one will do us much good. Furthermore, adding another top 6 player won't do us much good when/if everyone is healthy. Somebody with a lot of talent and experience is going to see the bench if that's the case, making a trade a waste.

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I sincerely hope that Holland does what he has already said he would do: nothing.

This season is shaping up to be a March sprint for the playoffs where they'll be 6-10 points out of a spot with 20ish games to go.

Actually, that could be fun to watch. It's been a really, really long time since regular season hockey in March or April was terribly important.

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So you'd rather expose Leino to waivers and potentially lose him for nothing?
You would be upset if he was picked up at this point? Usually I am the one who roams around here *****ing at everyone for whining about a kid who's in sophmore slumps or just rookie nerves but Leino has not even shown any flashes of brilliance. Atleast Ericsson, Helm and Abby showed things to build on.


I dont think I would want Nylander though.

At the deadline, I want Detroit to get a Lilja clone. Big body, blocks shots, strong in front of the net on the PK. Someone to stay back while "E" plays rover. Like what Stuy is to Kronner.

I would love a winger for Pavel but that is what Johan is for.

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Why in god earth would Holland want to bring Whitney back?
Why in god earth (?) would Holland want to bring Bertuzzi and Williams back? If it gets to that point, it will be because he has no better alternatives, and death is not an option.

Remember Cory Cross? Sure this guy's terrible, but we gotta get SOMEONE.

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No matter the circumstances? Thats rather obtuse. They'll take whatever they can get for Williams and Bertuzzi at the deadline if they're out of the race.
Agreed!

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No matter the circumstances? Thats rather obtuse. They'll take whatever they can get for Williams and Bertuzzi at the deadline if they're out of the race.
I disagree, unless everyone is healthy and they're out of the race I don't see any type of selling at the deadline.

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I believe Leino still has options?
He has always wanted to become a dentist. That is an option for him.

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