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12-10-2009, 12:23 PM
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This team still needs to improve their conditioning... they are skating/playing nothing like the 7-1 Rangers.

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12-10-2009, 12:24 PM
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I think it is more that other teams are getting better at their conditioning and have caught up.

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12-10-2009, 12:25 PM
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So with no real backup Henrik is just going to play every game. I can't see them ever starting Matt Zaba in a game up here.

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12-10-2009, 12:26 PM
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Well thats not really his fault. I mean he is playing Gaborik about 22-26 minutes a night.
It's partially his fault.

He had a HUGE say in the players Sather acquired.

This whole mess is squarely on Sather's and Tortorella's heads.

Worst tandem i can remember.

Neither of these guys have a plan, neither of them have a clue.

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12-10-2009, 12:27 PM
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Yea.

He uses a top two lines full of 3rd and 4th liners.
That's Sather's fault, not Tortorella's....

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12-10-2009, 12:27 PM
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This team still needs to improve their conditioning... they are skating/playing nothing like the 7-1 Rangers.
Whose fault is that?

If it was Renney's last year, then it's Tortorella's this year.

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12-10-2009, 12:27 PM
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It's partially his fault.

He had a HUGE say in the players Sather acquired.

This whole mess is squarely on Sather's and Tortorella's heads.

Worst tandem i can remember.

Neither of these guys have a plan, neither of them have a clue.
Well, how do we know how much say Torts really had?

The common theme over the past 2 coaches(where we have seen the same occur) has been Sather. I honestly like the accountability and getting sent down happens. He will be back up but Sather is a bad GM.

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12-10-2009, 12:27 PM
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Yea.

He uses a top two lines full of 3rd and 4th liners.
Because this team is full of 3rd and 4th liners. That's what happens when you have 40% of the cap dedicated to 5 players.

Who is a better option to play in the top 6? Lisin, who has done nothing?

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12-10-2009, 12:28 PM
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That's Sather's fault, not Tortorella's....
Again, Tortorella had his say in who we got.

He is also at fault.

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12-10-2009, 12:28 PM
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If this was to make room for a trade wouldnt they have been alot better shipping Rosy to the minors. Im sorry but I dont think Gilroy has played bad enough to go to the minors. He plays the way torts wants him to play and he also sticks up for his teamates.

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12-10-2009, 12:29 PM
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Because this team is full of 3rd and 4th liners. That's what happens when you have 40% of the cap dedicated to 5 players.

Who is a better option to play in the top 6? Lisin, who has done nothing?
More like when you dedicate 40% of the cap to 5 players, 1 of which is a 3rd line center, and another two who are 2nd/3rd pair defensemen. If the players who were being paid that money actually played like players of that caliber, this would be a completely different team.

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12-10-2009, 12:29 PM
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Umm Cashman doesn't tell Girardi who plays and who doesn't.


Yes and no. Cashman called the shots on the Joba situation, ordered Hughes to the bullpen and voided Girardi's request to have matsui get some games in the OF (remember Girardi said Hideki would be ready to play in the OF by June 15)

Girardi also was told to bat Jeter leadoff.

These are just some examples of Cash running the show. Everybody knows a big reason why he was hired over Donny was that Joe follows orders to the Letter whereas Joe Torre and Donny would have caused friction.

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It's partially his fault.

He had a HUGE say in the players Sather acquired.


This whole mess is squarely on Sather's and Tortorella's heads.

Worst tandem i can remember.

Neither of these guys have a plan, neither of them have a clue.
So I guess Renney had a huge say in bringing Redden, Rozy, Drury, and Gomez here? If so, then he deserved to be fired.

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So with no real backup Henrik is just going to play every game. I can't see them ever starting Matt Zaba in a game up here.
Tortorella said in the beginning that Johnsson would be up and down getting playing time in Hartford while also backing up Hank. I'd expect Johnsson to be back up after playing a game or two, or more specifically for the game that Henrik sits next.

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12-10-2009, 12:31 PM
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It's amazing how much support Tortorella gets.

He's TERRIBLE.

He has no idea what he is doing.

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12-10-2009, 12:32 PM
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So I guess Renney had a huge say in bringing Redden, Rozy, Drury, and Gomez here? If so, then he deserved to be fired.
Renney still held his teams under control and had an identity.

He coached his team of riff-raffs to the playoffs every year he was here.

Tortorella is coaching this team closer and closer to the gutter of the league right now.

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12-10-2009, 12:34 PM
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WTF?! Why did Gilroy get sent down!?!

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12-10-2009, 12:34 PM
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http://www.newsday.com/blogs/sports/...ning-1.1645180



http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...notes-1.811976


This is why I think there is a trade coming.

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Yes and no. Cashman called the shots on the Joba situation, ordered Hughes to the bullpen and voided Girardi's request to have matsui get some games in the OF (remember Girardi said Hideki would be ready to play in the OF by June 15)

Girardi also was told to bat Jeter leadoff.

These are just some examples of Cash running the show. Everybody knows a big reason why he was hired over Donny was that Joe follows orders to the Letter whereas Joe Torre and Donny would have caused friction.

Joba had rules because of Torre. and because he was called up quickly from the farm. Having rules on a player is not the same as telling a manger who to play and who doesn't.

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12-10-2009, 12:40 PM
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It's amazing how much support Tortorella gets.

He's TERRIBLE.

He has no idea what he is doing.
You would hate him if he showed up at your door with a puppy. You're basing your persistently vague anti torts posts on speculation. This happened hours ago. We have no idea what the meaning of it is yet. CHILL OUT. He isn't known for playing 3rd and forth line players on the top lines, he won the stanley cup if you remember with some of the biggest names in hockey and some of the worlds best players on his top two lines. This team doesn't have 6 top 6 players, its not as if they're there and hes not playing them. Tortorella came in a year ago and was with Sather for one offseason. He's had a hand in building maybe 20% of this team, its not his fault that the players aren't there. There is no doubt that this team looks bad right now, but saying that a man who won the stanley cup as a coach in the past few years had no idea what he is doing is literally insane. HE is an NHL coach. HE has coached NHL teams for years. HE has won a championship. WE really like hockey and this team and are well versed in the ways of the sport compared to most people. Let's see how this plays out.

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It's amazing how much support Tortorella gets.

He's TERRIBLE.

He has no idea what he is doing.
I realize you're upset and everything, but a guy doesn't win a Stanley Cup and a Calder Cup who "has no idea what he is doing". Let's be fair here.

And your assessment that Torts is partially responsible for Sather's idiotic cap management (which leads to our hands being completely tied for UFA's this summer) is generally unfair as well. Redden, Rozy, Gomez, Drury, etc.. aren't Torts fault and I'll bet that 1/2 this team is comprised of people that Torts wouldn't have wanted at all.

Again, 30 games is NOT a fair measure by which to decide if Tortorella is a good coach or not.

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12-10-2009, 12:41 PM
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Renney still held his teams under control and had an identity.

He coached his team of riff-raffs to the playoffs every year he was here.

Tortorella is coaching this team closer and closer to the gutter of the league right now.
But how can you say that Torts "got the players he wanted" when Redden, Rozy, and Drury are cast-offs from the Renney era? You can't have it both ways. It is pretty clear that Torts didn't get the players he wanted when he is benching Kotalik and saying he needs to play with more "jam." Kotalik is an awful fit for this team.

The same complaints were made last year when Renney coached that this team had no identity, and if the team was "under control" he never would have been fired in the first place.

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Renney still held his teams under control and had an identity.
Renney's teams went through horrendous losing droughts and barely limped into the playoffs 3 out of the 4 seasons..... What exactly was our identity? We could barely score goals, we didn't give consistent efforts, we didn't play physical..... We rode the coattails of Lundqvist and Jagr.....

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I'm not sure I understand this.
Here's the deal. Slats promised to give Heineken a real chance to play in the NHL. The idea was that he'd play with Gilroy, but DZ was just too good, so Beer had to be sent to Hartford.

Sooner or later, he'd have to go back up. It would have to be either of the rookies faltering or a long-term injury, but none of that happened, and on top of that, Sangs played well enough to play a couple games.

Something had to give, and DZ can't be sent back down to juniors without losing him for the year.

So Gilroy was the man out.

We'll see how things shake up, but if it were me, I would rather play 3 hungry rookies than Rosie. Dump him, I am sure someone will take a veteran defenseman with just 2.5 more years on his contract. Also, his salary is not very high in the last two years, so a team that isn't hard up against the cap may be willing to take him.

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I agree. I hope Ilkka doesn't go. He's young, pretty solid on defense and might turn into a good, physical d man. I guess it depends on the return, but I'd rather try to get rid of some of the bigger contracts than trade away young, cheap talent.

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