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Nazem Kadri vs. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson

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12-10-2009, 03:58 PM
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Nazem Kadri vs. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson

Who would you pick?

I would take MPS any day over Kadri, and as a Leaf fan, I was disappointed when Burke didn't select him.

Does anyone have MPS's stats and scouting report on his game in the SEL? Footage would be nice too. Thank you.

Nazem Kadri is ranked 17th in the OHL for scoring. 20g 16a in 27 games.

World Juniors are coming up, and I predict MPS will be in the top 3 for points while Kadri, I hope (as a Leaf fan) gets in the top 10.

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12-10-2009, 04:01 PM
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so useless to compare them now... last i heard, mps was at about .6 ppg in the sel.

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12-10-2009, 04:03 PM
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mps is 19 points (9g+10a) in 29 games so far in SEL

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12-10-2009, 04:05 PM
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Why do some Leafs fans hate on Kadri? He is a good prospect and there was nothing wrong with selecting him with the 7th overall pick. I give a slight edge to Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson at the moment, but it's really close. If Kadri dominates for the rest of the season, like many assumed he would, I would choose him instead.

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12-10-2009, 04:08 PM
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There's lots of updates about MPS in the prospects thread stickied on the Oilers board.

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12-10-2009, 04:09 PM
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Why do some Leafs fans hate on Kadri? He is a good prospect and there was nothing wrong with selecting him with the 7th overall pick. I give a slight edge to Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson at the moment, but it's really close. If Kadri dominates for the rest of the season, like many assumed he would, I would choose him instead.
Because is not 6'6 245 lbs

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12-10-2009, 04:29 PM
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MPS all day... i love kadri but hate toronto... and that is my reasoning ...

im bias because i drafted MPS in my keeper pool

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12-10-2009, 04:41 PM
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Because is not 6'6 245 lbs


I see what you did there.

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12-10-2009, 04:42 PM
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MPS for sure. When they are equally skilled, I'm taking the more physically gifted player.

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12-10-2009, 04:43 PM
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As biased Oiler fan I'm obligated to say MPS. Having said that, I thought it was pretty much impossible that he would drop to the 10th overall selection. From all the scouting reports he was rated higher than Kadri in almost every single one of them.

Still, Kadri is a good player with a lot of skill. He also has an edge to him that brian burke must like. Just because he might not be as good as MPS doesn't mean he isn't a good prospect. Their is no losing when you get a top 10 pick. They are all great prospects.

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I've always thought MPS had one of the better skillsets out of the top 10. The knock on him was his ability to finish. He's improved on that greatly this year, already surpassing his point totals from last year.

It's hard not to pick him in a situation like this, and that's no slight at Kadri.

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As biased Oiler fan I'm obligated to say MPS. Having said that, I thought it was pretty much impossible that he would drop to the 10th overall selection. From all the scouting reports he was rated higher than Kadri in almost every single one of them.

Still, Kadri is a good player with a lot of skill. He also has an edge to him that brian burke must like. Just because he might not be as good as MPS doesn't mean he isn't a good prospect. Their is no losing when you get a top 10 pick. They are all great prospects.

No.

And, to repeat what you said, im obligated to say Kadri. Honestly, Ive only seen MPS at the World Jrs, so i cant really make a comparison anyway.

Although I was very surprised from the "edgeiness" that Kadri has shown lately.


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12-10-2009, 04:58 PM
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I'd be curious to know how many of the people commenting have seen these players on a regular basis. It's sort of ridiculous to compare players if you haven't seen both of them play, ideally live.

fwiw, at least two GMs (Burke, Murray) had Kadri ranked higher on their list, so I don't really see the point of talking about pre-draft rankings.

Paajarvi-Svensson is a fantastic skater though, I really like his skill-set. From the little I've seen, he's very impressive. That said, both of these players will be in the NHL in a couple of years, and we'll get a better idea what they can do as NHLers then. Making comparisons now is a bit of a waste of time.

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12-10-2009, 05:01 PM
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Why do some Leafs fans hate on Kadri?
The same "Leaf fans" that hate on Kadri are the same "fans" that hate on everything the Leafs do.

Kadri is a beast

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No.

And, to repeat what you said, im obligated to say Kadri. Honestly, Ive only seen MPS at the World Jrs, so i can really make a comparison anyway.

Although I was very surprised from the "edgeiness" that Kadri has shown lately.
No, you are not obligated to say Kadri. Just because he is your teams prospect, doesn't mean it becomes impossible to be objective and use actual evidence and analysis to create an opinion on who you genuinely think is better.


IMO MSP is and will be the better player. His physical attributes with his offensive attributes are rare. I thought he was the #4 best player in the draft at the time, and still do.

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12-10-2009, 05:06 PM
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Obligatory "still far too early to tell" disclaimer.

Dug MPS at the time, though I was no Kadri hater, and having not seen MPS play yet this year I can't comment, really. It'd be great to see them on an even playing field at the WJC, but even then...we'll know more when they hit pro hockey. Hurdles for both aplenty.

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Still beats my why he dropped from #3 to #10 so fast as he did... I havnt seen Kadri more than a few pre-season games so I cant really tell who is better but MPS is having quite a year and those who knocked on him because of his finishing abilites... well let's say the ycant do that anymore ^^

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Didn't like the pick at the time, and nothing Kadri has done up to this point has changed my opinion.

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12-10-2009, 05:33 PM
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Interesting comparison, it will be interesting how they match up in the WJC, and inevitably, in the NHL.

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those who knocked on him because of his finishing abilites... well let's say the ycant do that anymore ^^
Why not? 9 goals in 29 games is great for his age, but I fail to see why 9 goals is proof that his finishing ability is suddenly of no concern. I was an MPS fan last year and I still questioned it. He's a playmaker, I never saw the big deal.
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Didn't like the pick at the time, and nothing Kadri has done up to this point has changed my opinion.
20 goals in 27 games doesn't impress you at all, eh? Not like the Leafs need goalscorers or anything, right?

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Why not? 9 goals in 29 games is great for his age, but I fail to see why 9 goals is proof that his finishing ability is suddenly of no concern. I was an MPS fan last year and I still questioned it. He's a playmaker, I never saw the big deal.
9 goals in 29 games > 7 goals in 50 games.

i'd call that an improvement. in a low scoring league btw. just imagine if he was playing in the OHL. he'd be ripping it to shreds


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9 goals in 29 games > 7 goals in 50 games.

i'd call that an improvement. in a low scoring league btw. just imagine if he was playing in the OHL. he'd be ripping it to shreds
Yes, it's improvement, hence why I called it "great"...and you'd expect improvement. You mean you hope he would acclimatise to the smaller ice surface and "rip it to shreds"...speed plays a larger role on larger ice surfaces.

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as a leafs fan i love kadri and liked him even before we drafted him

but i REALLY wanted the leafs to take MSP but knew it wouldn't happen even if we had the chance... kadri has been very impressive in the preseason and this year with london but i'd still take MSP over him, but i'm completely happy with kadri so whatver.. you can't go wrong with either player

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Yes, it's improvement, hence why I called it "great"...and you'd expect improvement. You mean you hope he would acclimatise to the smaller ice surface and "rip it to shreds"...speed plays a larger role on larger ice surfaces.
please, he would "dominate" vs juniors and you know that as well as i do. he'd definitely be up there in top5 scoring

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I think MPS' game is going to translate better to the NHL style of play than Kadri's. Their both solid prospects but I thought for sure at the draft that MPS was more of a "Brian Burke" type player and thought Burke would lean towards drafting MPS.

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