Bruin Fans keep saying that the Habs are a bunch of divers, that they should take it like a man, that they ruining hockey. They name Ribiero, Markov, Kovalev, Zednik are bunch of divers, but no one mention Gonchar’s blatant dive. This guy made it look like somebody amputated his legs. At least Ribiero got hit (but it doesn’t excuse him by floundering like a fish out of water). Aside from that who dove?
-Markov after getting hit on the head TWICE?
-Kovalev being tackle like a football player? As you recall, he didn’t dove when you got Slashed in the hand, he simply stopped playing.
-Zednik, after receiving a crosscheck on the back of the head?
The Habs ruining they say, that they are a disgrace. I guess sucker punching, and head hunting are what makes hockey great. This series is one of the most exciting series so far. BOTH team has a share of their questionable conduct on the ice. So please stop with the “your team is a disgrace” bullsh!t. Just play on and may the best team win. At the end of the day, if Boston wins the series, I will congratulate them and will wish them luck on the next round like a TRUE HOCKEY FAN should. No doubt though, the Rivalry lives on
This is getting out of hand, I was watching the highlites on Sportsnet today, and everytime they showed a Habs player down, they attributed it to diving or faking, it's getting ridiculous right now, i'm not sure if they're watching the same games but it hurts when you get punched point blank in the face, same when you get cross checked in the back of the head/ear...
Out of all the Canadian teams, the Habs get the least respect from our supposed sports experts...
I'm sick and tired of this. Bruins fans alays whinning about something. They played an horrible game last night and i dont see many posts about it. I knew that after what hapened to Ribs and Kovy every injury woul be questioned. Truth of the matter is that it had nothing to do with the boston loss yesterday. They had all the chances with the PP and didnt score while they couldnt keep up with th Habs in their zone and we saw the first bad day of Raycroft. I hope that saturday will have nothing else to talk about than the game itself.
I'm sick and tired of this. Bruins fans alays whinning about something. They played an horrible game last night and i dont see many posts about it. I knew that after what hapened to Ribs and Kovy every injury woul be questioned. Truth of the matter is that it had nothing to do with the boston loss yesterday. They had all the chances with the PP and didnt score while they couldnt keep up with th Habs in their zone and we saw the first bad day of Raycroft. I hope that saturday will have nothing else to talk about than the game itself.
By the way, I LOVE PERREAULT TODAY
I loved Perreault when he scored that goal last night...but he quickly disappeared after that and my hatred came back...
I have to admit, he's got to be one of the most opportunistic players...
Markov and Zednik both took hard shots to the head and fell to the ice legitimately. There's no question of diving in either instance. The non call on Zednik was likely a little message by the refs to the Hab players. Hopefully this non call nonsense on legitimate infractions is over now.
He did also win 10 of his 15 faceoffs. That may not physically show up on the scoreboard, but it definitely contributes to the final outcome.
Yeah I know, but I think faceoff's is an overrated facet of the game, I only care about important faceoffs at crucial times in the game, who cares if Perreault won a bunch of faceoffs when we were winning 4-1
When Thorton punched Markov in the face, they were saying that Mrkov was diving. Yet on the bench the trainer had to stop his nose from bleeding. Getting punched in the nose hard enough to make it bleed is reason enough to go down, especially when it's unexpected.
When Markov got punched by Thornton, they were saying on TSN that Markov won the Oscar tonight for his performance... starting to get on my nerves. :mad:
When Markov got punched by Thornton, they were saying on TSN that Markov won the Oscar tonight for his performance... starting to get on my nerves. :mad:
That's it that's what they said. I couldn't remember, but I know I was all angry 'cause when they were saying it they were showing Markov getting his nose fixed by the trainer.
Hey, maybe all the "diving" will take the Bruins off their game and will permit us to win game 7. GO HABS GO!
i wouldnt be surprised.
I mean, the reality is if Boston doesnt start doing the same, Bruins players are gonna wonder what they can do to montreal players.
Touch a canadien the wrong way, and he goes down, instant penalty.
Wouldnt that take u off your game?
And as far as Marhkov goes, how can u watch that play, say he didnt embelish it, and still call him 'tough' then?
and i have been hit in the nose before for more of a bleeder than that was, and didnt go down, so wether there was blood or not doenst prove anything. (and i'mnot saying anything about me being tough, because it was just screwing around with a friend and caught a bit more than he ment to)
i was actually worried that he banged his head or something when hit the ice.
I mean, the reality is if Boston doesnt start doing the same, Bruins players are gonna wonder what they can do to montreal players.
Touch a canadien the wrong way, and he goes down, instant penalty.
Wouldnt that take u off your game?
And as far as Marhkov goes, how can u watch that play, say he didnt embelish it, and still call him 'tough' then?
and i have been hit in the nose before for more of a bleeder than that was, and didnt go down, so wether there was blood or not doenst prove anything. (and i'mnot saying anything about me being tough, because it was just screwing around with a friend and caught a bit more than he ment to)
i was actually worried that he banged his head or something when hit the ice.
Its not even funny...Why all this whinning? Even if you think that markov embelished the hit, it was still a shot to the head, even if you think that Zednik embelished the hit, it was still a shot to the head, even if you think that Brisebois embelished the hit of Thornton, he was still going for the head.
So if the bruins woul stop trying to take MTL guys heads off we wouldnt this ACTING that ya'll Bruins fans like to call it.
BB, when I screw up I take a look in the mirror. Instead of the constant 'ohh those Habs have no pride' stuff, how about a captain who places his temper ahead of the good of the team. Great player and I think he'll learn, but some attention might be better spent there. As to what TSN has to say, who cares ? These are guys who grew up watching parades in other cities and are still pissed. So, now that's out of my system, how ya doin' buddy ?
BB, when I screw up I take a look in the mirror. Instead of the constant 'ohh those Habs have no pride' stuff, how about a captain who places his temper ahead of the good of the team. Great player and I think he'll learn, but some attention might be better spent there. As to what TSN has to say, who cares ? These are guys who grew up watching parades in other cities and are still pissed. So, now that's out of my system, how ya doin' buddy ?
i'm doing great, be doing better tomorrow night though.
and it would be great of we could the 'and so the habs have no.......' if we could also stop the 'and the bruins are so dirty and cheap...especially that Joe T guy...."
Hey, i am not on this band wagon of the habs have no pride, but when i see people saying how stupid Joe is and how he is the most undiscilined player and stuff and then look at the plays, there is some question there.
Just like the other respone to my response (of his response to your response to someone's response) So if the bruins would stop trying to take MTL guys heads off we wouldnt this ACTING that ya'll Bruins fans like to call it.
well, sure, ok, if Montreal players stop trying to take bruins players heads off, then bruins players will stop trying to take montreal players heads off........pretty lame arguemnt though huh...........but what else would i a say to that???
I think i have made myself pretty clear that i think there is alot of stuff going both ways, and not getting called.
alot of stick work, alot 'punches', alot of hits that land high.....(Axxy and Nylander getting laid out)
Arguemnets can be made both ways that they were just borderline, or over the line. Just like Joe's hit on Brisbois (being completely objective, how was it any more deserving of a penalty than when Nylander or Axxy got laid out with hits to the head,,,,,,that i believe were not called?)
In a scrum the other night at your net, Ribiero threw a puch just like joes at Lapointe, while he was tied up by Dagenais, (and i will freelly admit, i am not sure how much of it landed) no call and no big hubbub about it.
Marhkov drops to the ice just like Ulf Sammuleson did when Domi sucker punched him with a round house. All Joe did was give him a short jab, that he was looking right at.
I dont see bruins fans or players questioning the hits or stick work laid out by montreal players until recently, not anywere near the same as alot of montreal fans are doing in regaurds to boston, but what i do see is the embelshiment of the montreral players that has really gotten on alot of peoples nerves.
Joe has certainly made some dumb plays and penalties, but what gets me is that so have alot of people, with no call. So when joe gets the call, i am not going to get all worked up over what he did, unless it was completely blatant stuff that has been consistnely called a penalty.
Personally, I do not think the Habs are diving in general. Perhaps Ribeiro did......I can give you that one. On the Kovalev slash.....the basically lost the game on that play....and I don't think he would have risked giving up the puck to embellish. I think he got stung and got distracted (i.e., brain cramp) that led to the giveaway. As for yesterday's game....cracks to the back of the head, punches to the face, etc. still constitute penalties. They should all have been called as penalties, period. I will be honest.....even if there was some embellishment on any of those plays.....I wonder if in some ways the Habs haven't been forced into some of that. If you look back at some of the Kerry Fraser games.....or any of the games against the so-called big teams......the calls tend to not go in favour of the Canadiens. It's kind of like the NBA where the star players get the foul calls and everone else doesn't. You'll think I am biased, but I feel like in general we don't have things called our way. If any players were embellishing it may be to force the refs hand on calls they traditionally haven't given us. It's a double edged sword.
The first thing that anyone does when there's a penalty or a negative play for their team..they blame the other guy. It's a natural reaction that everyone does. For example, when Murray scored the 2OT breakaway, we get upset about the slash, or about Kovalev, we barely talk about Theodore getting beat short side by a wrist shot...or when Sundin got injured in the Ottawa game, everyone says it should have been a penalty shot, as if it was the turning point of the game when really Ottawa dominated that game.
Same goes here. Thornton gets shoved, but not that hard, he obviously tackles Theodore on purpose, and gets called for it. Then the punch. Yeah Markov may have been embellishing a bit, but if Thornton doesn't do a stupid thing like tackle Theodore in the first place, the penalties never happen. Referees aren't going to bail you out if you get yourself into a bad situation to begin with. This is playoff hockey, there's tons of missed calls, tons of scrums after the whistle, tons of everything. This is not new. The more disciplined team will usually win, bottom line. And pointing to one incident on either side to prove that your team is getting robbed usually doesn't make any real sense.
And as far as Marhkov goes, how can u watch that play, say he didnt embelish it, and still call him 'tough' then?
and i have been hit in the nose before for more of a bleeder than that was, and didnt go down, so wether there was blood or not doenst prove anything. (and i'mnot saying anything about me being tough, because it was just screwing around with a friend and caught a bit more than he ment to)
i was actually worried that he banged his head or something when hit the ice.
bb;
Thornton is wearing a flak jacket. I saw it by slowing down a shot of him on the bench last night.
In game 4 Markov ran Thornton into the boards pretty hard behind the Montreal goal. As it happened, Thornton was falling and Markov caught him with his hips and upper legs sideways across the upper body. Absolutely nothing dirty about the hit, but Thornton chased and retaliated right away with along the side boards, no penalty.
Then he goes headhunting for Markov last game.
It's simple, but IMO you are too biased to see or understand: Thornton is playing hurt. Markov hurt him more, so his agenda has been to get Markov. No matter how much you want to defend one of your players (I can understand that), there is no denying he is taking cheap shots at the expense of his team. No real leadership there.
Thornton is wearing a flak jacket. I saw it by slowing down a shot of him on the bench last night.
In game 4 Markov ran Thornton into the boards pretty hard behind the Montreal goal. As it happened, Thornton was falling and Markov caught him with his hips and upper legs sideways across the upper body. Absolutely nothing dirty about the hit, but Thornton chased and retaliated right away with along the side boards, no penalty.
Then he goes headhunting for Markov last game.
It's simple, but IMO you are too biased to see or understand: Thornton is playing hurt. Markov hurt him more, so his agenda has been to get Markov. No matter how much you want to defend one of your players (I can understand that), there is no denying he is taking cheap shots at the expense of his team. No real leadership there.
well, i guess we are both to biased then, because i have seen on numerous occasions (last night for example) Marhkov cross checking joe in the back every chances he gets. You wanna use the stick, goe ahead, just be prepared to pay the price.
And as far the headhunting comments, and u want to call others biased??? (and when exaclty did he go head hunting last game?)
Joe popped him with a shoulder, just like Begin did and Ryder did, difference is u dont see Bruin fans starting posts about how cheap they are and how they are just 'headhunting'
say what u want but, u only prove one thing with posts like that, how biased u really are.
and it would be great of we could the 'and so the habs have no.......' if we could also stop the 'and the bruins are so dirty and cheap...especially that Joe T guy...."
I'll give you that one. That's posters seeing things thru their team's glasses and if you're not guilty of that somewhat, you're not a fan. I think the issue is being overblown, becuase it's a hot topic now. I've got no problem with you BB, I just like to jab you now and then because you get hot under the collar defending your team, and I have little self control. If I've chatted with 30 B's posters this week, there's the same cross section you get on any board.
You've got the fans of the game,diehard for your team, opposition haters, and trolls. Some are fun to chat with, nice to get a different perspective, some are looney tunes, some make me want to take up arms. The whole issue of what's proper behavior on the ice is something to talk about at some point. About Thornton, I feel he has the ability to be one of the few actual franchise players in the league. He has to show a willingness to put the team on his back at some point. I'm not going after him for this series for the obvious health reasons. It's the discipline. Whether or not Markov was hurt is irrelevant, punching in the face is considered roughing, whether Markov fell or did a highland fling, the result wouldn't change. I do sincerely hope he doesn't learn this lesson this weekend or Monday, but we'll see.
About Thornton, I feel he has the ability to be one of the few actual franchise players in the league. He has to show a willingness to put the team on his back at some point. I'm not going after him for this series for the obvious health reasons. It's the discipline. Whether or not Markov was hurt is irrelevant, punching in the face is considered roughing, whether Markov fell or did a highland fling, the result wouldn't change. I do sincerely hope he doesn't learn this lesson this weekend or Monday, but we'll see.
Bruin Fans keep saying that the Habs are a bunch of divers, that they should take it like a man, that they ruining hockey.
Jason Spezza is ruining hockey also then loll ... He dive on the ice after a little punch by Marchment ... Markov got a big punch by Thornthon , and we say to take it as a man ? I would like to see someone receive a punch like thrown Thorthon when you are not expecting it lol.
I'm sure that Zednik also was a wussy on the cross check , he should have taken the cross check near the ear like a man , even though he is known to be a tough guy who isn't going to dive like a wussy. But I'm sure that because Boston Bruins fans say that every player on the Montreal Canadien team are faking they will put them in the same bag.
I'm sure that they claim that the Ryder hit on Axelsson was a real knock out punch , and that Axelsson was not faking and had no choice than to stay on the ice
Last edited by HabsBaby18: 04-16-2004 at 09:17 PM.
... He dive on the ice after a little punch by Marchment ... Markov got a big punch by Thornthon , and we say to take it as a man ? I would like to see someone receive a punch like thrown Thorthon when you are not expecting it lol.
