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If he can see it, he can stop it...

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/dave_hodge.asp

Interesting take on the skill of today's goaltending compared to eras past. Before it was the standup goaltender, using pads that soaked up water like a sponge, saying a prayer every time someone like Lafleur or Gretzky came flying down the wing. Now, perimeter shots are almost guaranteed saves if the goalie can see it. The answer? Screen the goalie or crash the net. The former leads to players taking considerable punishment in front as d-men mark their area. The latter leads to goalies retaliating, d-men confronting the trespassers of the blue ice and refs trying to sort out such messes when scrums occur as a result.

Hodge asks someone to change the game so that "if the he can see it, he might not stop it, so go ahead and shoot it." What exactly can be done to make this happen?(other than making goalies free game)

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Personally, I think 'the good old days' were a joke. You look at some of the 'good' goals gretzky scorred in his day, and they are laughable. I never played a game above pee-wee house-league and *I* could score on those guys.

I like the game the way it is. 99% of the time somebody scores, it is either because they worked really hard or they made a really nice play. Lets keep it that way.

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Personally, I think 'the good old days' were a joke. You look at some of the 'good' goals gretzky scorred in his day, and they are laughable. I never played a game above pee-wee house-league and *I* could score on those guys.

I like the game the way it is. 99% of the time somebody scores, it is either because they worked really hard or they made a really nice play. Lets keep it that way.
Great post, I whole-heartedly agree

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Personally, I think 'the good old days' were a joke. You look at some of the 'good' goals gretzky scorred in his day, and they are laughable. I never played a game above pee-wee house-league and *I* could score on those guys.

I like the game the way it is. 99% of the time somebody scores, it is either because they worked really hard or they made a really nice play. Lets keep it that way.


Yeah all the goals today are beauties...back in the day they shot the puck in the net, now they shoot the puck at the net crash and bang and score on a rebound. Highlight reel definetly.

And if you score more then 800 goals I am sure there bound to be a few weak ones.


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The quality of goalies may be up now, but the quality of forwards and scorers surely is way, way down.

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Personally, I think 'the good old days' were a joke. You look at some of the 'good' goals gretzky scorred in his day, and they are laughable. I never played a game above pee-wee house-league and *I* could score on those guys.

I like the game the way it is. 99% of the time somebody scores, it is either because they worked really hard or they made a really nice play. Lets keep it that way.
we need to find a nice medium. the 80s goalies were terrible, and i don't think we should be striving for 80s level play. how about early to mid 90s hockey? in my opinion that's the best hockey i've seen. great goalies (roy, brodeur, belfour, hasek, richter, etc), great scoring (lemieux, selanne, mogilny, jagr, bure, multiple 100 pt players), and great tempo.

we need to get back to a 1993-96 level, not an 80s one. one way is to stop allowing SO much clutching and grabbing. it's absolutely ridiculous. watch some games from even 10 years ago, and they hardly take both hands off their sticks. now it's take one hand off and use it to wrap around another forward all game long.

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The quality of goalies may be up now, but the quality of forwards and scorers surely is way, way down.
I don't buy this. Sure these old guys looked better, they had it much easier to score. And that's not only because of the goalies being better, but also because of the teams playing better defense. There are a few scorers with extremely sick skills nowadays, it's not worse that in the past.

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we need to find a nice medium. the 80s goalies were terrible, and i don't think we should be striving for 80s level play. how about early to mid 90s hockey? in my opinion that's the best hockey i've seen. great goalies (roy, brodeur, belfour, hasek, richter, etc), great scoring (lemieux, selanne, mogilny, jagr, bure, multiple 100 pt players), and great tempo.

we need to get back to a 1993-96 level, not an 80s one. one way is to stop allowing SO much clutching and grabbing. it's absolutely ridiculous. watch some games from even 10 years ago, and they hardly take both hands off their sticks. now it's take one hand off and use it to wrap around another forward all game long.
mario, is that you?

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