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12-12-2009, 12:19 AM
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The Brule for Torres deal revisited

For those who recall the deal was for Gilbert Brule for Raffi Torres on July 1st 2008

This is one of the deals that was either loved or hated at the time. I saw Brule play a few years with Vancouver Giants and I have had a love affair bigger then BBO's with Schremp(that explains the two bets).

We are now two years into the trade

Rafii has not been to shabby so far this year with 10goals 6 assists -3 with 42 shots on goals while getting 6 goals on the powerplay

Brule now has 9 goals 12 assists now at 0 no ppg with 54 shots on net

both players are about equal on penalty points

One thing that sticks out is the fact that Torres has gotten over 50% of his goals on the PP and Brule nile--Some people love special team numbers--but I like even strengths stats and short handed stats(that is one reason why I hated Schremp--he is a PP guy)

I remember when Brule got sent down and in this off season some people called Brule a bust and thought we should dump him for something.

got one other set of numbers to look at Brule is 22 going on 23 and is a RFA after this season of making .800k

Raffi on the other hand is making 2.25 and will be an UFA after this season

Now here is the question...


If you were Lowe(this was one of Lowe's last trades) would you still have done this deal on July 1st 2008? or would you have prefered to keep raffi?

Both are similier players--but they have some obvious differences

wont make this a poll--but for general discussion

Like I said--I am Brule fan and I could never see Raffi playing on the top line like Brule is now(for however long it is)

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12-12-2009, 12:21 AM
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I loved it at the time because I hated Raffi Torres.

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12-12-2009, 12:24 AM
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I think you do this trade again. Torres' time with the team was up and Brule was well known as a high draft pick that was rushed into service. I'm very pleased we did not rush him and really treated him like a project. It has paid off and he is looking like the player he was in junior again.

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At the time I was pretty excited, I always loved Brule (mostly from playing NHL 07 where he had like 99 potential) and was pretty Lowe on Torres. Seeing them now, I still make that trade because it seems at worst Brule will be a Torres, but I think he has more skill and heart to be a consistent 60 point guy in the future

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12-12-2009, 12:25 AM
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raffi wasnt in the plans any more they had time to work with brule.....it was boom or bust type of deal...id do it again...good job lowe one of his best asset managements

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12-12-2009, 12:25 AM
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I was a big fan of the trade, I saw huge upside in Brule even if he had struggled in Columbus and I wasnt a fan of Torres whatsoever

Then again NHL 07-08 really helped me get a hard-on for Brule

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12-12-2009, 12:28 AM
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It's a win-win trade for both teams.

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12-12-2009, 12:30 AM
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I couldn't believe the Jackets traded him, I mean he was 21 and ya he wasn't playing great but he was young he just hadn't found a way to transfer game to the pro level we got a steal I personally think. At the time I thought it was pretty even trade but the kicker was the age difference, both similar players. I would have traded for him than and now.

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I loved it at the time and am loving it even more now.

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I really liked it at the time because I thought it was a move that meant we were about to get Hossa.

Kudos to the Oilers for handling him correctly in this situation. His development was hurt and the Oilers/Brule were able to fix that. It's always good to see a kid turn around his career like that - particularly when he helps our team win hockey games.

I absolutely love the way he plays the game.

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Now here is the question...

If you were Lowe (this was one of Lowe's last trades)
It was just my imagination that Lowe flew to B.C. to hand deliver a video tape to Dany Heatley..........

I really, really have to quit sniffing glue one of these days.........

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12-12-2009, 12:38 AM
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It was just my imagination that Lowe flew to B.C. to hand deliver a video tape to Dany Heatley..........

I really, really have to quit sniffing glue one of these days.........

Katz also met with Heatley

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Katz also met with Heatley
Katz is a hands off owner..... He hired lots of management people to handle that sort of stuff....

Would you like to share some of my crack cocaine?


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12-12-2009, 12:44 AM
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29 games in (for him) and the kid already has a new career high for points with 21.

Playing gritty, talented hockey and is fully deserving of his top line spot.

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12-12-2009, 12:46 AM
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At the time of the deal, I said it would help both teams, and both players, and I think it has. Unfortunately, it took the Oilers too long to try and replace Raffi's toughness, which hurt them dearly last year.

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12-12-2009, 12:48 AM
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Brule is a much better fit for this team, and he'll probably end up being the better player so I can't complain.

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I loved it at the time because I hated Raffi Torres.
Me too... plus I knew Brule had some serious potential from watching him in the WHL.

If he plays well through the whole year we've gotta lock this guy up long term and get rid of some other small guys.

If he scores 30 goals do we fathom trading Hemsky?
I'd be happy with getting a 2nd line winger who's good for 25+ goals who's got size and a physical edge and a prospect or pick as long as the other team is eating 1M+ of salary.

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12-12-2009, 01:16 AM
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Torres stunk here in his last couple of years and was overpaid. Getting a bag of poop for him was a win.

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You guys got away with robbery on this one. I like Torres, but he's very limited in terms of offensive skill set. Meanwhile, Brule has a really good shot, is a quick skater and could be a legit first liner if he develops into a better stick handler. He's a sure fire second liner with high potential and could turn into a game breaker.

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The cap hit was/is much less, specially when Brule played in AHL last year, so the Oil also salvaged some cap room as a result of this deal. And Torres got injured last year as he seems to do every second season.

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I wasn't sold on Brule but it looks like he's coming around now. I actually was hoping they'd waive him in pre season because I didn't want another runt in the lineup. He has obviously shown that he can play physical and put up some points at this level. Raffi was so darn frustrating with his inconsistent play so I'll have to give the edge to Brule at this point.

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Yes, definitely do this deal in a heartbeat.

Weren't Stoll and Torres always ****ing around and partying? I was happy when we traded Torres away. Brule seems like a very mature kid and he sure is fitting in with the top line.

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To be honest, I completely hated it then, and I'm warming up to it now.

Torres is simply one of those guys that turns it up in the playoffs. His physical play was what was elevated during the playoffs, and notably turned around the San Jose series.

He strikes me as a guy who's hard to coach, and motivate, because he runs purely off of adrenelaine. Especially for a team that was only in the playoffs ONCE during his tenure.


I can see Brule being consistently a better player than Torres, but I don't think he will ever top what Raffi brought us in the playoffs.

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I liked the deal then and it's looking golden now. Hell he's playing so well that I harbor no resentment to the man despite my exile to Leaf land.

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To be honest, I completely hated it then, and I'm warming up to it now.

Torres is simply one of those guys that turns it up in the playoffs. His physical play was what was elevated during the playoffs, and notably turned around the San Jose series.

He strikes me as a guy who's hard to coach, and motivate, because he runs purely off of adrenelaine. Especially for a team that was only in the playoffs ONCE during his tenure.


I can see Brule being consistently a better player than Torres, but I don't think he will ever top what Raffi brought us in the playoffs.
Hard to say though, Brule put up 30 points in 18 playoff games with the Giants.

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