Pacioretty didn't even look like he belonged in the NHL at the beginning of this year and now he is as valuable as Giroux? Do you guys have the memory of a goldfish?
The proposed trade was not straight up. It was Halak+Pac+pick.
That is an overpayment. Let's see, give them a potential #1 goalie (better then anything they currently have, Emery included), someone who will have no problem replacing Giroux in that deep offense system they have. PLUS a pick. No thanks.
Yeah you're right, Price was amazing in the playoffs that year, thank god huet was traded, really worked in our favour. Wasted YOUR time? You should be happy I even read your posts without bursting out laughing.
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Originally Posted by Pierre Dagenais
You weren't offering them 1 for 1.
MaxPac for Giroux straight up is not overpaying.
but Halak + MaxPac + a pick IS.
Back up and unproven goalies are worth almost nothing, ask anyone. A 3rd rounder for Halak, maybe a 2nd if he is exceptional. Do you see people lining up at Gaineys door to give him a top six sniper?
And a later pick in a weak draft? You people amaze me. Go post this proposeal on the trade forum and see how many flyers laugh in your face.
Yeah you're right, Price was amazing in the playoffs that year, thank god huet was traded, really worked in our favour. Wasted YOUR time? You should be happy I even read your posts without bursting out laughing.
Back up and unproven goalies are worth almost nothing, ask anyone. A 3rd rounder for Halak, maybe a 2nd if he is exceptional. Do you see people lining up at Gaineys door to give him a top six sniper?
And a later pick in a weak draft? You people amaze me. Go post this proposeal on the trade forum and see how many flyers laugh in your face.
It doesn't really matter what you think. What I know is Gainey would never be stupid enough to pull off Halak+Pacioretty+Pick/Picks for Giroux.
All it does is hurt this team going forward by depleting goaltending depth and losing future picks that we never know what might be.
Giroux has alot more offensive upside then Pacioretty, we all know that. Doesn't change the fact the Flyers have a ton of Top 6 depth and little in the goaltending department, the immediate winner in this trade is the Flyers at it's not even close.
It doesn't really matter what you think. What I know is Gainey would never be stupid enough to pull off Halak+Pacioretty+Pick/Picks for Giroux.
All it does is hurt this team going forward by depleting goaltending depth and losing future picks that we never know what might be.
Giroux has alot more offensive upside then Pacioretty, we all know that. Doesn't change the fact the Flyers have a ton of Top 6 depth and little in the goaltending department, the immediate winner in this trade is the Flyers at it's not even close.
But Halak is on the market anyways, so it's not like he's depleting the goaltending depth by doing this move anyways. We all assume that he's going to trade away Halak regardless.
Say the best you can get for Halak on the market is a 3rd rounder, and that the draft pick that Philly wants is a 5th...
I know it's Bruce Garrioch, but Jeff Carter is exactly what we need on this team!
Jeff Carter
Center
Born Jan 1 1985 -- London, ONT
Height 6.03 -- Weight 193 -- Shoots R
My proposal and the reasons wh it works is:
To Philadelphia:
Jaroslav Halak + Maxime Lapierre + 4th round draft pick (Anaheim)
Why: Philadelphia needs a goalie and goaltending depth, Maxim Lapierre can replace carter in the top 6 or 9 and we give them the 4th round draft pick as a bonus.
To Montreal:
Jeff Carter + Nicola Riopel
Why: We need a top 6 BIG forward that can score and Nicola Riopel is a Quebec born young goaltender than can replace our goaltending depth with the loss of Halak while Sanford backs up Price.
You are kidding, right???? Carter for Halak and lapierre LOLLLL
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Really? Because I wouldn't trade Price for Richards, Carter or any other Flyer straight up ever!
Yeah....that sounds right....NOT
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Originally Posted by CanadienErrant
The best they can have for Halak is Giroux... which is fine enough.
They'll NEVER get giroux for halak straight up...Halak is a backup...Giroux is probably as untouchable as Richards in Philly; he's already becoming a star on this team, playing onthe first line... and lol at the "fine enough" Halak is a backup goalie presently, he has never proven anything and is RFA this summer. Giroux is a young forward on an entry-level deal...He's producing a lot and he's earning close to nothing...
But Halak is on the market anyways, so it's not like he's depleting the goaltending depth by doing this move anyways. We all assume that he's going to trade away Halak regardless.
Say the best you can get for Halak on the market is a 3rd rounder, and that the draft pick that Philly wants is a 5th...
MaxPac + 3rd + 5th = Giroux
He shouldn't be moving Halak unless the return is worth the risk. That's what i'm getting at.
We've been down this road before with Huet and look where it got us.
P.S. it's a good thing we drafted David Fischer in 2006
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Yeah, really, I'm overpaying. You just haven't seen the potential in Giroux...
Giroux and Pacioretty are completely different players who bring very different contributions on the ice. Trading Pacioretty would make the Canadiens even smaller up front. Stats don't say everything. It's like saying that Green is better than Markov because he has more points.
You are kidding, right???? Carter for Halak and lapierre LOLLLL
Yeah....that sounds right....NOT
They'll NEVER get giroux for halak straight up...Halak is a backup...Giroux is probably as untouchable as Richards in Philly; he's already becoming a star on this team, playing onthe first line... and lol at the "fine enough" Halak is a backup goalie presently, he has never proven anything and is RFA this summer. Giroux is a young forward on an entry-level deal...He's producing a lot and he's earning close to nothing...
Hate to break it to you bud, but he's better then ANYTHING in your system.
Not trolling here, but I find it bizarre how so many Habs fans underestimate Halak's value. I watch a lot of Habs games and he's just as good as Price is, minus the hype and the "potential". A lot of teams don't even have a #1 goalie that is as good or consistent as Halak is, and would certainly give up a top-6 forward straight up to acquire him.
Maybe not a top line guy, but a second liner such as Giroux is quite realistic imo.
I do agree that the price for Halak is fairly undervalued for the trade market around these parts, but I'm not too sure he could fetch Giroux.
But Halak does add a lot of value to a trade, for a team like Philly.
Holmgrem has probably been talking to other GMs for some time now, and probably crossed ways with BG already... d'be curious to know what Philly wants to change, who they identified as the problem in the lockeroom. Carter, who else?
I do agree that the price for Halak is fairly undervalued for the trade market around these parts, but I'm not too sure he could fetch Giroux.
But Halak does add a lot of value to a trade, for a team like Philly.
Holmgrem has probably been talking to other GMs for some time now, and probably crossed ways with BG already... d'be curious to know what Philly wants to change, who they identified as the problem in the lockeroom. Carter, who else?
I would be fine with giving up Halak+our first for Giroux... I just don't want to give up Pacioretty. Period.
I do agree that the price for Halak is fairly undervalued for the trade market around these parts, but I'm not too sure he could fetch Giroux.
But Halak does add a lot of value to a trade, for a team like Philly.
Holmgrem has probably been talking to other GMs for some time now, and probably crossed ways with BG already... d'be curious to know what Philly wants to change, who they identified as the problem in the lockeroom. Carter, who else?
Don't say this, we will have every flyer fan in here, bombarding us with how Pronger and Carter are NOT the problem in that locker room.
Don't say this, we will have every flyer fan in here, bombarding us with how Pronger and Carter are NOT the problem in that locker room.
Is that the rumor?
IMO it looks like Pronger is trying to control Richard's room... But I don't know. Clearly there are some issues there, kinda like we had here in the past with Souray/Rivet/Koivu/Kovalev, etc.
With the exception of Philly giving us massive overpayment (as we see in the OP trade proposal), I wouldn't trade Halak to Philly. If Philly improves their goaltending, they're a lock for the playoffs. If Philly becomes a lock for the playoffs, it makes it that much harder for the Habs to make it.
As is, the Habs really could conceivably finish ahead of Philly in the standings by the end of the season. I'm not saying it's likely (Philly does have a lot of talent, after all), but it's possible. It's not even possible if Philly gets good no. 1 goaltending.
I also agree with L'Aveuglette. If a team is desperate enough for a good goalie, a Top 6 winger for Halak (maybe Halak and a small throw-in) isn't entirely out of the question. That being said, Carter is a lot more than a "Top 6 winger"; he's an elite talent.
think what you want.....I'd like to have halak, but when I see dumb comments like this, it makes me angry....This was just plain ridiculous...some habs fans are just dellusional
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