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Kaberle vs Boyle

View Poll Results: Kaberle or Boyle?
Kaberle 55 42.64%
Boyle 74 57.36%
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12-16-2009, 12:18 PM
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Especially if part of this argument is implying that Boyle is better defensively.

Why doesn't Kaberle play more on the PK if he is better in his own zone than Boyle?

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12-16-2009, 12:21 PM
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Why doesn't Kaberle play more on the PK if he is better in his own zone than Boyle?
Because he doesn't need to. We have Beauchemin, Komisarek, White and Schenn handling the PK duties. Kaberle's main goals are to QB the PP and skate the puck out of the defensive zone.

Although, I am in no way, implying that he's better than Boyle defensively.

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12-16-2009, 12:24 PM
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I think he was talking about postseason all-star selections, not the actual All-Star game.
Okay, thanks.

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12-16-2009, 05:54 PM
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All-Star Teams
Kaberle: 0
Boyle: 2 Second Team (2007, 2009)

Norris Voting (top 10):
Kaberle: None
Boyle: 4 (2007), 5 (2009)

Top goal-scoring seasons post-lockout:
Kaberle: 11 (2003), 11 (2007)
Boyle: 15 (2006), 20 (2007), 16 (2009)

Point-scoring seasons post-lockout:
Kaberle: 67, 58, 53, 31 (57 games), 31 (current)
Boyle: 53, 63, 25 (37 games), 57, 28 (current)

A/TOI per season since lockout:
Kaberle: 28, 26, 25, 23, 23 (current)
Boyle: 23, 27, 27, 25, 27 (current)

Total season points/powerplay points since lockout:
Kaberle: 67/51, 58/30, 53/30, 31/19, 31/17 (current) 60%
Boyle: 53/25, 63/37, 25/14, 57/32, 28/14 (current) 54%

Career playoffs:
Kaberle: 6-22-28 in 77 games
Boyle: 5-21-26 in 51 games

So why is Kaberle better? San Jose's powerplay rose 6% the first year Boyle arrived.
Those stats are ****ed up.

1.) Kaberle is a 4-time All-Star.

2.) Kaberle has more points since the lockout, so what's your point there? You contradicted yourself.

3.) And those playoff games don't add up at all.

The hell are you looking at?

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12-16-2009, 06:35 PM
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Those stats are ****ed up.

1.) Kaberle is a 4-time All-Star.

2.) Kaberle has more points since the lockout, so what's your point there? You contradicted yourself.

3.) And those playoff games don't add up at all.

The hell are you looking at?
1. Kaberle has indeed played in 4-time All-Star games, but has been selected to zero postseason All-Star teams, which is what he was talking about. The All-Star game is a popularity contest based on a half season of play, while the postseason All-Star teams are based on the full season and are based more on performance.

2. Kaberle does have more points post lockout, but in more games, due to Boyle's freak wrist injury two years ago. Boyle has a better PPG since the lockout (.732 for Kaberle versus .743 for Boyle)

3. I don't know what about the playoff games don't add up. Please explain that one. Looking at their hockeydb pages, that appears to be correct. (Kaberle/Boyle)

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12-16-2009, 09:00 PM
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1. Kaberle has indeed played in 4-time All-Star games, but has been selected to zero postseason All-Star teams, which is what he was talking about. The All-Star game is a popularity contest based on a half season of play, while the postseason All-Star teams are based on the full season and are based more on performance.

2. Kaberle does have more points post lockout, but in more games, due to Boyle's freak wrist injury two years ago. Boyle has a better PPG since the lockout (.732 for Kaberle versus .743 for Boyle)

3. I don't know what about the playoff games don't add up. Please explain that one. Looking at their hockeydb pages, that appears to be correct. (Kaberle/Boyle)
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Those stats are ****ed up.

1.) Kaberle is a 4-time All-Star.

2.) Kaberle has more points since the lockout, so what's your point there? You contradicted yourself.

3.) And those playoff games don't add up at all.

The hell are you looking at?
Yeah, what he said! The hell you looking at!!!???

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Dan Boyle.

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12-16-2009, 11:08 PM
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Yeah, what he said! The hell you looking at!!!???
Are you Dan Boyle's big brother or something?

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Are you Dan Boyle's big brother or something?
How'd you guess?

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All-Star Teams
Kaberle: 0
Boyle: 2 Second Team (2007, 2009)

Norris Voting (top 10):
Kaberle: None
Boyle: 4 (2007), 5 (2009)

Top goal-scoring seasons post-lockout:
Kaberle: 11 (2003), 11 (2007)
Boyle: 15 (2006), 20 (2007), 16 (2009)

Point-scoring seasons post-lockout:
Kaberle: 67, 58, 53, 31 (57 games), 31 (current)
Boyle: 53, 63, 25 (37 games), 57, 28 (current)

A/TOI per season since lockout:
Kaberle: 28, 26, 25, 23, 23 (current)
Boyle: 23, 27, 27, 25, 27 (current)

Total season points/powerplay points since lockout:
Kaberle: 67/51, 58/30, 53/30, 31/19, 31/17 (current) 60%
Boyle: 53/25, 63/37, 25/14, 57/32, 28/14 (current) 54%

Career playoffs:
Kaberle: 6-22-28 in 77 games
Boyle: 5-21-26 in 51 games

So why is Kaberle better? San Jose's powerplay rose 6% the first year Boyle arrived.
I didn't even have to think about Boyle. But now that I read this, I'm surprised anybody else does either.

I think Kaberle is possibly THE best #2 d-man in the league. I say that because he doesn't have everything I would want in an ideal #1 d-man. A very good #1 for a lot of teams though, no doubt.

But Boyle is among about a half-dozen NHL d-men that does absolutely EVERYTHING and does it all VERY well. He's a top-20 player in value in the entire league. Kaberle is up around 50-60 in my books.

But if I'm

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I'll take boyle, but this is close.

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