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04-28-2011, 12:11 PM
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Ambroz might be a 5th round pick at this point.
seriously doubt that, and the free fall comments are a tad overblown.

Ambroz wont be around come round #3, and those that have watched the kid at all this year can attest to the way he has evolved as an overall player. Ambroz has taken on a much more all around role this year, and though his numbers havent come the way many thought, his overall game certainly has. Ambroz will be a better pro then an amateur, he is one of those kids.

Ambroz still has his concerns, needs to improve on skating and consistency, but I could certainly see a team grabbing him up very early second round..

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Re:Ambroz, Probably in the 50s or 60s range at best. Sub par skating, lack of intensity, hsa improved overall game? Red flags for a drop.

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Saying Saad probably won't be a banger is like saying the little girl who had half her face melted off by a blowtorch probably won't be a top model.

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Saying Saad probably won't be a banger is like saying the little girl who had half her face melted off by a blowtorch probably won't be a top model.
I wouldn't say its that black and white at all, many players evolve into new roles once they reach the pros.

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04-28-2011, 05:59 PM
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I wouldn't say its that black and white at all, many players evolve into new roles once they reach the pros.
It's true. Even the likes of Peter Mueller, which I saw one poster compare Saad to gained some sandpaper in his game.

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Is steve Bernier a good comparision for him?

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Is steve Bernier a good comparision for him?
A person in the prospect comparison thread said he's a Forsberg/Malkin type without as high of an offensive upside

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No way he falls to round 2. Has good size and still putting up around a point per game in reg season and playoffs. Someone will take him 10-20
Hopefully between 10 and 18. But I am nopt so sure.
Because Edmonton probably wouldn't pick them at 19.
Hope that other players fall.

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3 things I see and have SEEN... good size, decent skating, good shot (at juniors level). he has no moves and will not be a goal scorer in the NHL unless he can learn to score in a more effective way. 90% of the goals in this video would not have been scored at the AHL level...

Mid-second, he's likely a 2nd-3rd line tweener, maybe 25G 40P.

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05-27-2011, 12:08 PM
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Great work as usual. Really appreciate the stuff you do! Next time use some Amon Amarth!

As for Saad...for those who have seen BOTH play, how does he compare to Carter Ashton? They seem like similar players to me.

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Thanks for the vid. Good song selection for a big PF like Saad.

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Ambroz might be a 5th round pick at this point.
That seems silly. He has still put up solid numbers in the USHL - certainly as good or better than guys like JT Miller and Reid Boucher have put up against the same teams. And Ambroz is bigger and tougher than those guys. Still an easy 2nd rounder if you he passes your team's interview and character check, I'd say.

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3 things I see and have SEEN... good size, decent skating, good shot (at juniors level). he has no moves and will not be a goal scorer in the NHL unless he can learn to score in a more effective way. 90% of the goals in this video would not have been scored at the AHL level...

Mid-second, he's likely a 2nd-3rd line tweener, maybe 25G 40P.
Are you talking about Saad? Interesting comments considering the video your post follows....IMO, Saad reminds me a lot of Drew Stafford. A guy who leaves you wanting more, but can still pot 30 at the NHL level. He's also not a banger.


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05-27-2011, 03:59 PM
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You can't teach intensity and compete level. I would pass without thinking twice.

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You can't teach intensity and compete level. I would pass without thinking twice.
Where? @ 1st? 19th? 31st?

Passing is relative.

I think once you get into round 2 or even late round 1, the value/boom potential far outweighs the negatives with a player of this skill level.

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05-27-2011, 04:19 PM
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It's true. Even the likes of Peter Mueller, which I saw one poster compare Saad to gained some sandpaper in his game.
Mueller? Sandpaper? No. Never. Softest player in the NHL.

Everything I read about Saad sounds just like Mueller. Except Saad is supposed to be a very good skater, right? Mueller is not. Also, no reason to believe Saad will have the injury trouble Mueller has had. As soft as he is, a faster, healthier Peter Mueller is a pretty damn good NHLer. Basically Michael Ryder.


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Mueller? Sandpaper? No. Never. Softest player in the NHL.
Wolski disagrees

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Call it a tie?

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Brandon Saad?

How do you guys rank him and how do you think we will do in the NHL?

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How do you guys rank him and how do you think we will do in the NHL?
Read a few of the guys from PGH questioning his work ethic and mentioned his floating throughout the second half of the season. Not only do they have him possibly dropping out of the first round, but possibly heading "north of 40".

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15-20

under-achieved a little this year but still showed lots of good stuff, the one time i watched him he controlled the play and was one of the best players out there on the ice

good size too.

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See, that's the problem. I've read many conflicting reports.

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Saad struggles with shift-to-shift consistency, but for my money, there are few better options at his position and with his potential in this class.

In many ways, he is comparable to Jack Skille. He's a big boy with excellent technical skating ability and a variety of tools, but no toolbox as of yet. It's a completely understandable worry that he might never find the mental part of the game. But outside of selecting him in the top ten, I can't really see a scenario in which he's not amongst the best players still on the board. Even if he doesn't put it together offensively, he's still likely to be an NHLer and that's a good use of a pick.

Here are some other scoring wingers available in the 10-30 range:

Joel Armia- Less physically mature, a worse skater, ultimately possesses around the same kind of goal-scoring upside (25-30 goals).

Sven Bartschi- Bartschi plays like he's Saad's size and vice versa, but I don't see Bartschi playing on an NHL team's first line. You're looking at a similar 2nd/3rd line type.

Matt Puempel- Similar consistency issues, smaller frame, but more overall skill and hockey sense. I'd take Puempel, but I can see why an NHL team might prefer Saad.

Nicklas Jensen- Jensen is bigger but rawer physically, isn't as good a skater, and is about as rough intangibles-wise. I'd take Saad because I think he possesses the higher overall potential.

Tyler Biggs- A borderline 1st round player for me. If Saad's risky, Biggs is a shot in the dark.

To summarize, I'd say 10-15 is a reach but understandable based on Saad's overall skillset, 16-19 is about where he should go, and 19+ is terrific value.

As an Oilers fan, I'd select Saad at 19 (barring the availability of a bluechip defender). Yes, we have Hall and Paajarvi who fill the same sort of mold, but both are still very much unknowns at this point. Even if they push Saad to the 3rd line... well, that's not really a problem, is it? You can never have too many 6'2, 210 lbs wingers who can skate and shoot at an NHL level.

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Based on what I've seen, he's Blake Wheeler 2.0. Depending on your view of this draft he might be worth a mid-late first for a team that's willing to work with him. Personally, I wouldn't bother until the mid-late second round because I have my doubts that he'll ever put it all together. You'll always be wanting more out of the guy.

He's got some great skating, a good release and goal scoring intincts but he's just too soft. Size means nothing if he's going to constantly play on the perimeter and avoid contact. He might as well be Grimaldi's size. I'll admit though, I'm a bit biased against big players who play small so I tend to discount them, thus this might be a tad harsh.

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