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12-15-2009, 02:08 PM
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Get Brashear off of the books

Being that we are in trouble w our caps space. Doesn't it make sense to get Brashear off of the books? He is not at all worth 1.4 million dollars. I'm not sure how the GM could do it, but can't he send him permanently down to Hartford to clear up that cap space? The money could be better used.

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I wish we kept Orr.

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I wish we kept Orr.
Carkner broke Orr's orbital bone last night.

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Doesn't it make sense to get Drury/Redden/Roszival/Brashear off of the books? They are not at all worth 7/6.5/5/1.4 million dollars.
good idea. i would think about it.

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12-15-2009, 02:15 PM
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I was looking this up at
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/lea...salary_cap.htm


"The 35-and-Older Clause:

* When a player aged 35 or older signs a multi-year contract, his average salary is counted against the team's salary cap during every year of the contract, even if the player retires before the contract is up.
* If the player is sent to the minor leagues, his cap hit is reduced by $100,000."

It this right? If we send him to the minors we would have 1.3 of his 1.4 million counting against the cap?

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12-15-2009, 02:16 PM
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Carkner broke Orr's orbital bone last night.
yea, and? Orr destroyed him rd. 1.

Orr is a beast, cannot believe we let him walk.

We need to trade for a young heavyweight, its a must.

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12-15-2009, 02:21 PM
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yea, and? Orr destroyed him rd. 1.

Orr is a beast, cannot believe we let him walk.

We need to trade for a young heavyweight, its a must.
So then they're tied 1-1

Funny you mention Westgarth, I helped recruit him to Princeton back in the day(George Parros too), i've aways been a fan. And Sather couldve had him back in 06 when he was in camp for a tryout.

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12-15-2009, 02:23 PM
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So then they're tied 1-1

Funny you mention Westgarth, I helped recruit him to Princeton back in the day(George Parros too), i've aways been a fan. And Sather couldve had him back in 06 when he was in camp for a tryout.
thats pretty cool, didn't know he was ever in camp with us, the guys a beast and a legit young heavyweight.

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I was looking this up at
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/lea...salary_cap.htm


"The 35-and-Older Clause:

* When a player aged 35 or older signs a multi-year contract, his average salary is counted against the team's salary cap during every year of the contract, even if the player retires before the contract is up.
* If the player is sent to the minor leagues, his cap hit is reduced by $100,000."

It this right? If we send him to the minors we would have 1.3 of his 1.4 million counting against the cap?
i didnt know about the 100k...but for one of the softest teams in the league, getting rid of Brashear is insta-death.

imho he should be playing every game hes able to.

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12-15-2009, 02:46 PM
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i didnt know about the 100k...but for one of the softest teams in the league, getting rid of Brashear is insta-death.

imho he should be playing every game hes able to.
Why? It's not like he does anything out there. He averages 6:22 a night. He doesn't intimidate anyone anymore. Going out and fighting the other team's goon every other night isn't worth 1.4 million.

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12-15-2009, 02:54 PM
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Why? It's not like he does anything out there. He averages 6:22 a night. He doesn't intimidate anyone anymore. Going out and fighting the other team's goon every other night isn't worth 1.4 million.
OK, so we're all in agreement--Brashear isn't worth the money. But, the question is what to do about it. And one thing is clear--what the original poster suggested is not going to happen because it makes absolutely no sense to waive Brashear and still have him count against the cap.

Argue all you want about trading him, but waiving him is not an option.

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I was looking this up at
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/lea...salary_cap.htm


"The 35-and-Older Clause:

* When a player aged 35 or older signs a multi-year contract, his average salary is counted against the team's salary cap during every year of the contract, even if the player retires before the contract is up.
* If the player is sent to the minor leagues, his cap hit is reduced by $100,000."

It this right? If we send him to the minors we would have 1.3 of his 1.4 million counting against the cap?
I still think it's worth it.

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i didnt know about the 100k...but for one of the softest teams in the league, getting rid of Brashear is insta-death.

imho he should be playing every game hes able to.
it's not like Brashear is overly physical out there.

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Being that we are in trouble w our caps space. Doesn't it make sense to get Brashear off of the books? He is not at all worth 1.4 million dollars. I'm not sure how the GM could do it, but can't he send him permanently down to Hartford to clear up that cap space? The money could be better used.
I would bet any money that Brash could fetch back a pick, maybe as high as a third rounder. I can guarantee you that we could get a 5th for him. No need to banish the guy.

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12-15-2009, 02:57 PM
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Orr isn't worth the money he got either. I don't know if we would've had him for less or what, but he's a god awful hockey player. He'd struggle to make it in the ECHL if he couldn't fight. Brashear may be slow, but at least he can cycle the puck and shoot. The production may be the same on paper, but the past few games our 4th line has been able to keep the puck in zone most of the time they're on the ice and Brash being able to actually move the puck to teammates is a big part of it.

Brashear's just as good of a fighter too. So, enough about Orr, he's gone. Are you all the same people that still cry about Ortmeyer and Prucha being gone at night?

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12-15-2009, 02:59 PM
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Why? It's not like he does anything out there. He averages 6:22 a night. He doesn't intimidate anyone anymore. Going out and fighting the other team's goon every other night isn't worth 1.4 million.
im not sure i agree with that...

but yes, hes grossly overpaid, as are a number of our players, but again, as a jello soft team, id rather have him in the lineup, than out...

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12-15-2009, 03:12 PM
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Thank you for all of my feed back. Just seemed that if we could get Brashear and company (Roszval, Redden, etc.) off of the books we would have some cap space w which to play and could have an exciting and better team. Being that we cannot get Brashear off of the books because of his age perhaps we could get a trade or a pick for him. Good idea BrooklynHockey99.
Our team may be soft, but he does not help in this department (or any other that I can see). He only plays 6 minutes if he is well enough to play. Yes he does cycle the puck all right, but it's not worth his roster spot.

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12-15-2009, 03:18 PM
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Not many people have taken liberties at all with Gaborik this year...I wonder if that would remain true if Brash wasn't in the lineup and the only people they'd have to answer to would consist of Callahan, Dubinsky, or maybe Byers.

Seriously, if we want to clear some cap space (for what..?), lets get rid of Voros, not Brashear. If this does end up being a rebuilding year where we end up selling at the deadline and have some youngsters like Grachev or whoever up here playing, I want someone that's going to be able to protect them. We have no one in the system or on this roster that's going to do that better than Brashear.

I think we'll begin to appreciate him more now that we're starting to get closer to the midway point and we have a lot of games with division rivals, in particular philly, coming up.

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Yeah,

Along with Captain Cash, Redden, Rozsival, Voros, and Drury.

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Carkner broke Orr's orbital bone last night.
So what does that mean? he isn't better then a broken down Brash? Orr got smoked last night but Carkner is no joke at all he is a top 10 guy in the NHL also.

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12-15-2009, 03:28 PM
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Brashear is one of the few guys actually doing his job. I think he's been fine out there. Is he overpaid? Yes. But his salary is the least of our concerns. And as others have mentioned, unless we can trade him, we're stuck with him. Waiving him and assigning him to Hartford provides next to nothing with regards to cap relief.
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12-15-2009, 03:36 PM
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So what does that mean? he isn't better then a broken down Brash? Orr got smoked last night but Carkner is no joke at all he is a top 10 guy in the NHL also.
Maybe, but its not like he is a worldbeater that just had to be resigned.

I liked Orr, but he wasn't a Torts guy

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Orr isn't most coaches guy. He has more heart than anyone on the ice, but that doesn't make up for his weak skillset at all. There are so many better options to be had in terms of enforcers.

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I tend to agree Brash hasn't been a problem

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I would get rid of Brashear ASAP. The guy is useless. There are other guys out there that are better fighters. The whole idea that Brashear is a good hockey player is a joke. Get someone that can fight. He clearly can not.

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