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12-18-2009, 02:44 PM
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Now that one is new to me. Did they try and move up at the '98 draft or was this during one of his underachieving pre-lockout years?
Both.

They were pretty close to acquiring the number 2 pick in 1998 and then they were close to adding Legwand both pre and post lockout.

Of course in 1998 they thought he could be their first line center. By 2005 they were looking at him for a second line spot.

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Michalek will shortly be signing a long term contract to stay in Phoenix. He is a franchise cornerstone and vastly underrated by anyone who doesn't see him regularly. Jovo has a year to run after this year and he is playing at an all-star level. Boedker isn't going anywhere. The Phoenix Coyotes are no longer a carcass. People are spewing stuff here as if they are trrading from a position of weakness. Have you guys checked the standings lately?
The standings and the fact this kid isn't producing for them makes me buy this rumor.

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So what's your function in the whole scheme of hockey?


Also Mueller for Kotalik would be a great move by Sather.
I've mainly worked in and around Public Relations in the sport.

There have been deviations from that track over the years, but I do still have involvement with the sport.

But as the internet has grown and people track it better, you have to be careful about you put out there. While rumors are cool, you have to be careful not to throw around information that could be traced back to someone who doesn't want it traced back to them. That's a quick way to lose your connections.

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The standings and the fact this kid isn't producing for them makes me buy this rumor.
As far as the Yotes are concerned, Boedker might as well be Enver Lisin or Freddie Sjostrom at this point.

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12-18-2009, 02:50 PM
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As far as the Yotes are concerned, Boedker might as well be Enver Lisin or Freddie Sjostrom at this point.
Yeah, what does he have.. something like six points in 20 AHL games.. Honestly, I hope some of these high-end young guys(Boedkar, Turris, OEL) start to pan out for the yotes.. they deserve it.

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Yeah, what does he have.. something like six points in 20 AHL games..
Cmon Maloney. Quit on him. Take one of your picks away from us and quit on him. We'll be happy to run him with Gaborik and watch the two of them tear up the ice like the roadrunner from the cartoons.

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12-18-2009, 02:56 PM
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Very close eh?

I dont think this is happening.

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I don't know what it is with Phoenix and their prospects...hopefully for them, Maloney turns things around, but ******* look at their first round picks and what they've done

Of course there's guys like Sjostrom and Kolanos, but then there's Blake Wheeler who they took a flyer on and then let get away from them. He could at least be a good player for them.

Hanzal, who isn't a complete bust or anything but I remember him being touted as quite the offensive threat...looking more like a checking line player now.

Mueller, who we know about by now.

Turris, who was rushed badly and is still struggling to find his game and utilize all the talent he has

Boedeker, who in retrospect was probably rushed as well and is now struggling to find his game

They've struggled with their first round picks...obviously there's plenty of time for a lot of these guys to turn it around (Turris, Mueller, Boedeker, all obviously are very young and have time) but I've got to wonder some at a franchise who's draft picks don't seem to develop as much as they do struggle.

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I don't know what it is with Phoenix and their prospects...hopefully for them, Maloney turns things around, but ******* look at their first round picks and what they've done

Of course there's guys like Sjostrom and Kolanos, but then there's Blake Wheeler who they took a flyer on and then let get away from them. He could at least be a good player for them.

Hanzal, who isn't a complete bust or anything but I remember him being touted as quite the offensive threat...looking more like a checking line player now.

Mueller, who we know about by now.

Turris, who was rushed badly and is still struggling to find his game and utilize all the talent he has

Boedeker, who in retrospect was probably rushed as well and is now struggling to find his game

They've struggled with their first round picks...obviously there's plenty of time for a lot of these guys to turn it around (Turris, Mueller, Boedeker, all obviously are very young and have time) but I've got to wonder some at a franchise who's draft picks don't seem to develop as much as they do struggle.
Mueller is just having problems adjusting to Tippet's style of coaching...Mueller will break out of it eventually. He has talent and I hope Maloney keeps him. Boedker is special and will be a big part of their future. Hanzal has been fantastic for Phoenix and can score and play a two-way game...he ia a big part of phoenix's success so far. Turris was rushed by the great one& Maloney, but is on track in San Antonio.
Maloney is alot smarter now , in terms of letting the kids earn their time with the big club, he won't rush draft picks anymore.

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12-18-2009, 04:52 PM
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As far as the Yotes are concerned, Boedker might as well be Enver Lisin or Freddie Sjostrom at this point.
Not even close. Boedker was stunned when he was sent down and frankly so were a lot of people close to the team. He's going to be a very good player. He was the one young player last year who looked like he belonged in the NHL. Word was that he was shocked by the demotion, took it very badly and then got to a San Antonio team that was literally imploding. He's apparently got his head back on straight now, he's been called up twice and should be back here permanently soon. He is not available.

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I don't know what it is with Phoenix and their prospects...hopefully for them, Maloney turns things around, but ******* look at their first round picks and what they've done

Of course there's guys like Sjostrom and Kolanos, but then there's Blake Wheeler who they took a flyer on and then let get away from them. He could at least be a good player for them.

Hanzal, who isn't a complete bust or anything but I remember him being touted as quite the offensive threat...looking more like a checking line player now.

Mueller, who we know about by now.

Turris, who was rushed badly and is still struggling to find his game and utilize all the talent he has

Boedeker, who in retrospect was probably rushed as well and is now struggling to find his game

They've struggled with their first round picks...obviously there's plenty of time for a lot of these guys to turn it around (Turris, Mueller, Boedeker, all obviously are very young and have time) but I've got to wonder some at a franchise who's draft picks don't seem to develop as much as they do struggle.
Maloney is becoming more responsible for the Coyotes drafts over the past two years. Keep in mind that TGO was the Director of Hockey Operations even after Maloney was hired and TGO's kid brother Keith is still the Coyotes chief scout.

For years the team drafted terribly. Sjostrom and Kolanos were just part of an eight year string of first round disappointments. Wheeler was certainly a stretch at 5 but he refused to sign a contract with the Coyotes and actually ended up with less money to sign with the Bruins. He wanted to play with his buddy Kessel.

The jury is still out on the recent draft history. Mueller has been pretty well dissected in this thread. Hanzal is a terrific and very underrated young player--he reminds me of a young Rod Brind'Amour. He'll never be a big scorer but he is a great defensive player, very solid penalty killer and offensive contributor. Victor Tikhonov was fine as a checking line player last year but he is back in the KHL and may not be back. And Turris remains a mystery. He's not filled out at all and he is not burning up the AHL.

The problem here was philosophy. Gretzky's was to bring up young players, give them a lot of ice time and let them grow. A lot of guys got here long before it was their time. Some have done real well -- Hanzal, Keith Yandle, Dan Carcillo & Daniel Winnick have become solid NHL players. Others have not. Those who wish the Rangers would rush their young players might want to look at the Coyotes as a textbook example of what happens when you rush young players. It doesn't work for everyone.


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12-18-2009, 04:57 PM
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Does the Sather thread that includes a source indicating that nothing major is going to happen soon conflict with this?

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Does the Sather thread that includes a source indicating that nothing major is going to happen soon conflict with this?
Maybe, but the fact that the roster freeze starts tomorrow also indicates nothing is going to happen soon.

Also it's been said several times in here that a lot of these "talks" turn into nothing because teams can't come to terms.


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Maybe, but the fact that the roster freeze starts tomorrow also indicates nothing is going to happen for soon...
Word homie.

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Also it's been said several times in here that a lot of these "talks" turn into nothing because teams can't come to terms.
Thus you see why I am always very hesitant to post rumors.

In baseball you're a Hall of Fame player if you fail 66 percent of your at-bats.

I'd say it's about the same for sports rumors.

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Here's hoping Edge's "rumor" is true....

Look, this year is shot. The Rangers are a bottom ten team in the league at best, some of the worst collection and integration of talent anywhere (both offense and defense (the defensiove part of D-men)) and being run by an incompetent GM and a confused and equally befuddled coach.....Any move to be made should be for the future, and a move for the 21 year old Mueller (struggling yes, but i have seen both fantastic things from him (t ogo with the apathetic)) is worth the shot especially if it only costs something like a stone-handed 3rd liner like Higgins, a redundant Sanguintti and/or a draft pick...

Ah, Stefan Chernerski, a name from the past...Loved him as a prospect too but more then likely would have turned into a Manny Maholtra type play (but on wing)..Nothing wrong with that....

Oh, by the way, I have heard that the Rangers have asked that Rayn Hollweg also be inclued as a part of the Mueller deal...
Where the hell have you been, dude???

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Some of the older ones are a little more interesting (the salary cap has kind of killed a lot of the big, juicy trades).

Ryan Smyth was a pretty serious conversation a few years back.

No conversation could be complete with mentioning the near-complete Shanahan trades from the 1990s.

David Legwand has nearly been a Ranger a few times.

Barret Jackman was nearly a Ranger several times (Richter was in one talk).




The Rangers had serious talks about Stoll at one point.

The Rangers were pretty interested in moving up at the 2006 draft (they loved Toews, Staal, Kessel and Mueller).

For better or worse, they've been chasing Mueller for 3 or 4 years now.

memories indeed...richter for jackman for a done deal in 2000 until richter blew his knee out on a president's day game vs chi at the garden

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I don't know much about the rest of the Coyote prospects, but you can't blame them for Wheeler... they drafted him, made him offers, but he refused to sign with Phoenix. He chose to play elsewhere and waited and waited until he could become a free agent and sign where he wanted to.

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Michalek will shortly be signing a long term contract to stay in Phoenix. He is a franchise cornerstone and vastly underrated by anyone who doesn't see him regularly. Jovo has a year to run after this year and he is playing at an all-star level. Boedker isn't going anywhere. The Phoenix Coyotes are no longer a carcass. People are spewing stuff here as if they are trrading from a position of weakness. Have you guys checked the standings lately?
This guy is a blocking machine, he blocks shop like a beast

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memories indeed...richter for jackman for a done deal in 2000 until richter blew his knee out on a president's day game vs chi at the garden
St. Louis could have done major damage had they had a goalie like Richter.

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Mueller Scratched v. Ducks

I noticed Mueller is not in the line up against the Ducks tonight. Maybe he is getting moved. With our D depth I'd move Sanguinetti for him. Prefer a stiff like Kotalik, but you have to give to get.

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The holiday trade freeze is in effect. Nothing is happening soon.

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The holiday trade freeze is in effect. Nothing is happening soon.
Not yet, doesn't start until Midnight I believe.

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Not yet, doesn't start until Midnight I believe.
Yeah, I read after midnight 12/19 as meaning @ 12:01 AM on 12/19 instead of 12/20. My bad.

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Not yet, doesn't start until Midnight I believe.
midnight saturday. As in 12:01am saturday, not 12:01am sunday so the freeze ought to be in affect already.

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midnight saturday. As in 12:01am saturday, not 12:01am sunday so the freeze ought to be in affect already.
It's not. You made the same mistake that I did.

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