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12-17-2009, 02:32 PM
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We need a top 5 pick.

Just thought I would share this interesting fact with you. Edmonton is the only team in the league that does not have a player on its roster that was taken in the top 5 in the NHL entry draft. Obviously some of these players are better top 5 picks then others. All of these players were taken in the top 5. Not all of these players were drafted by the teams, many were traded or moved via free agency. The ones in red are IMO franchise players (or close to)

Anaheim- Ryan Whitney, Bobby Ryan, Scott Niedermayer
Atlanta- Ilya Kovalchuck, Kari Lehtonen, Zach Bogosian, Evander Kane
Boston- Blake Wheeler
Buffalo- Thomas Vanek, Tim Connolly
Calgary- Jay Bouwmeester, Olli Jokinen, Daymond Langkow
Carolina- Joni Pitkanen, Eric Staal
Chicago- Cam Barker, Patrick Kane, Andrew Ladd, Jonathan Towes
Colorado- Matt Duchene
Columbus- Rostislav Klesla, Raffi Torres, Rick Nash, Chris Gratton
Dallas- Mike Modano
Detroit- Brad Stuart
Florida- Stephen Weiss, Bryan Allen
Los Angeles- Jack Johnson, Drew Doughty, Brayden Schenn
Minnesota- Owen Nolan
Montreal- Carey Price, Roman Hamrlik
Nashville- David Legwand, D.P. Dumont
New Jersey- Rob Niedermayer
New York Islanders- Rick Dipietro, John Tavares,
New York Rangers- Marian Gaborik, Wade Redden
Ottawa- Jason Spezza, Chris Phillips
Phoenix- Kyle Turris, Ed Jovanovski
Pittsburgh- Marc-Andre Fleury, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jordan Staal, Bill Guerin
Philadelphia- James Van Riemsdyk, Chris Pronger,
San Jose- Dany Heatley, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau
St.Louis- Erik Johnson, Alex Pietrangelo, Erik Brewer, Paul Kariya
Tampa Bay- Vincent Lecavalier, Steven Stamkos, Victor Hedman
Toronto- Phil Kessel, Luke Schenn
Vancouver- Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Roberto Luongo
Washington- Alexander Ovechkin, Nicklas Backstrom, Karl Alzner

Note: Of the 29 other teams, 23 of them have multiple top 5 "talents"


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12-17-2009, 02:33 PM
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Blame Lowe and the other Oilers GM's for never Bailing on the fans

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I think the OP forgot to put the at the end of the post?

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12-17-2009, 02:40 PM
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I apologize if this topic has been beaten to death, but I thought it was interesting that of all 30 teams in the leauge we were the only one to lack that top 5 talent.

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12-17-2009, 02:43 PM
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I apologize if this topic has been beaten to death, but I thought it was interesting that of all 30 teams in the leauge we were the only one to lack that top 5 talent.
Good point we shold have held on to Torres and Pitkanen and all our problems would be solved.

Also its Karl Alzner not Kyle.

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12-17-2009, 02:55 PM
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Good point we shold have held on to Torres and Pitkanen and all our problems would be solved.

Also its Karl Alzner not Kyle.
Haha gotta make a couple spelling mistakes or it wouldn't be genuine! As for holding onto Pitkanen and Torres, I'm not saying that we should have kept them (although at this time I would much rather have Pitkanen than Sully). If you look at the players in red, their is an obvious correlation between top 5 picks and franchise players.

Of the 29 other teams, only 7 of do not have a player in red. Those teams are Boston, Detroit, Florida, Minnesota, Nashville, New Jersey and Phoenix.

-Boston had Phil Kessel Poached from Toronto. Because of it they should have a top 5 pick this year from Toronto.
-Florida was bad enough to trade away their top 5 picks.
-Minnesota drafted Benoit Pouliot with their top5 pick
-Nashville drafted legwand with their top5 pick.
-Phoenix is still waiting on Turris

That really only leaves Detroit and New Jersey as teams that dont have a franchise player from drafting in the top 5. Both of which have much better drafting records than Edmonton does. When you get Brodeur or Lidstrom in later rounds you can make up for the lack of top 5 talent. Something Edmonton has failed to do.

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12-17-2009, 02:56 PM
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Top five picks are over-valued. Number one overall? Yeah, that'd be nice to have. The Oilers have made some nice picks over the past three years or so. Gagner is only 20 and was picked at no. 6; Brule was selected by the Jackets at no. 6 and I really feel that Eberle and Paajarvi are going to make a difference.

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12-17-2009, 02:57 PM
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Top five picks are over-valued. The Oilers have made some nice picks over the past three years or so.
Im not saying they haven't. For where they have drafted, they have done a very good job. I think that we have one of the best groups of scouts (probably top 10) but it still doesn't help us get elite talents via the draft. It just helps us get good players.

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12-17-2009, 03:00 PM
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Im not saying they haven't. For where they have drafted, they have done a very good job. I think that we have one of the best groups of scouts (probably top 10) but it still doesn't help us get elite talents via the draft. It just helps us get good players.
Edited slightly.

It'd be nice to have some high, high draft picks in the line-up, but it's not like we haven't had them in recent years. As was pointed out, we had Torres, we had Pronger for a year...

I know that everybody is frustrated with always picking in the middle of the draft pack but I don't think that that's the core of the Oilers' failings. We have a management team that doles out generous contracts and is afraid to make tough personnel moves.

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12-17-2009, 03:00 PM
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We don't need top 5 picks all we need is for management to develop Eberle, MPS and the others properly. Don't rush guys, let them develop their skills and we will be fine.

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Edited slightly.

It'd be nice to have some high, high draft picks in the line-up, but it's not like we haven't had them in recent years. As was pointed out, we had Torres, we had Pronger for a year...

I know that everybody is frustrated with always picking in the middle of the draft pack but I don't think that that's the core of the Oilers' failings. We have a management team that doles out generous contracts and is afraid to make tough personnel moves.
Exactly, I don't think a top 5 pick is necessary as elite level talent such as Kopitar and Parise are sprinkled throughout the 1st round. However post lockout the top 5 picks in the draft have sure seemed to be real players.

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12-17-2009, 03:18 PM
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Exactly, I don't think a top 5 pick is necessary as elite level talent such as Kopitar and Parise are sprinkled throughout the 1st round. However post lockout the top 5 picks in the draft have sure seemed to be real players.
I'm not saying that its not possible to make a few steals in order to become a great team, but their have been very few teams that have done it. Their are only 2 other teams to never have a top 5 pick in the past 20 some odd years: Detroit and Boston. Boston hasn't won a cup since 71-72' and Edmonton isn't nearly as good as drafting as Detroit is.

Even with a steal like Kopitar, the kings weren't a playoff team. It wasn't until Doughty came in that they started competing for home ice. Its possible to build a winning team without a top 5 pick but its very unlikely. Edmonton is going to have to be VERY shrewed and start pulling out some absoulte steals in the draft if we wan't to be a serious contender. Either that or work the trades and free agency (which isn't exactly edmonton's strength)

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Toronto- Phil Kessel, Luke Schenn, Jeff O'Neill
Dude...Jeff O'Neill?! Come on. When was the last time you watched hockey?

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Maybe we should trade Brule to Toronto to pick up Jeff O'neil. Then we can say we have a top 5 pick on our team.

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Dude...Jeff O'Neill?! Come on. When was the last time you watched hockey?

Kesel and Oneil were drafted by other teams was my first observation

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What's funny is every single other team in the league has at least one player considered a bonafide stud, a legit, bluechip franchise talent. Edmonton doesn't have a single one. The one wildcard for Edmonton who could be considered bluechip (and who still isn't a goalscorer, what they so badly need) is Magnus Pajaarvi Svensson. If it all pans out he should end up being a good first line talent, but it's gonna be tough for him to manifest any superstar potential he has within him.

I realize nothing is ever sure-fire, 100% guarantee (outside of a select few), but the higher you draft, the better chance you have. Edmonton badly needs one of either Gormsley, Seguin, Hall or Kabanov. Then they'll have a real nice group of forwards to build on in the pipeline if they get one of those.

Love to see the team win, but now my interests and concerns have shifted to the long term. You can see it with many of these emerging teams now, it's never been more clear this is jumpstart a team needs. They need to start building and stocking up for the next 3-4-5 years from now.

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Maybe we should trade Brule to Toronto to pick up Jeff O'neil. Then we can say we have a top 5 pick on our team.
no way, go for Keith Primeau instead

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Eh... Scott Thornton, Keith Primeau, and Jeff O'Neill haven't played in the NHL in years. I don't know wtf Chris Gratton is now, either.

I lol'd at Double Penetration Dumont on the Predators.

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We need another guy who can put the puck in the net. Who cares what draft number he was?

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We need another guy who can put the puck in the net. Who cares what draft number he was?
Current NHL Goal Leaders:

1. Marian Gaborik (-2014) 3rd overall
2. Dany Heatley (-2014) 2nd overall
3. Alex Ovechkin (-2016) 1st overall
4. Sidney Crosby (-2013) 1st overall
5. Patrick Marleau (-2010) 2nd overall
6. Dustin Penner (-2012) Undrafted
7. Ilya Kovalchuk (-2010) 1st overall
8. Mike Cammalleri (-2014) 49th overall
9. Steve Stamkos (-2011) 1st overall
10. Jarome Iginla (-2013) 11th overall

The odds of landing a premier player are simply better if you draft top five. See: seven of the ten above.

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Current NHL Goal Leaders:

1. Marian Gaborik (-2014) 3rd overall
2. Dany Heatley (-2014) 2nd overall
3. Alex Ovechkin (-2016) 1st overall
4. Sidney Crosby (-2013) 1st overall
5. Patrick Marleau (-2010) 2nd overall
6. Dustin Penner (-2012) Undrafted
7. Ilya Kovalchuk (-2010) 1st overall
8. Mike Cammalleri (-2014) 49th overall
9. Steve Stamkos (-2011) 1st overall
10. Jarome Iginla (-2013) 11th overall

The odds of landing a premier player are simply better if you draft top five. See: seven of the ten above.
Yeah but they all have a brutal +/- rating -2014 for Gaborik


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Well, I seem to remember when we drafted gagner in 07' at 6th overall because the oilers decided to win their last game that season bumping them out of a lottery pick, after that I could do nothing but laugh, the oilers found a way to lose while winning (what was it 18 game losing streak that season after smyth got traded?), however that was back when people were actually comparing Kane and Gagner, in hindsight the oilers blew it.

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Current NHL Goal Leaders:

1. Marian Gaborik (-2014) 3rd overall
2. Dany Heatley (-2014) 2nd overall
3. Alex Ovechkin (-2016) 1st overall
4. Sidney Crosby (-2013) 1st overall
5. Patrick Marleau (-2010) 2nd overall
6. Dustin Penner (-2012) Undrafted
7. Ilya Kovalchuk (-2010) 1st overall
8. Mike Cammalleri (-2014) 49th overall
9. Steve Stamkos (-2011) 1st overall
10. Jarome Iginla (-2013) 11th overall

The odds of landing a premier player are simply better if you draft top five. See: seven of the ten above.
So we pretty much need a top 2 pick then.

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Well, I seem to remember when we drafted gagner in 07' at 6th overall because the oilers decided to win their last game that season bumping them out of a lottery pick, after that I could do nothing but laugh, the oilers found a way to lose while winning (what was it 18 game losing streak that season after smyth got traded?), however that was back when people were actually comparing Kane and Gagner, in hindsight the oilers blew it.
Oilers might've taken Turris with the first pick.

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We need to turf the scouting staff infection first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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