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12-19-2009, 05:48 PM
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I think Canada could have like an Ontario team which would dominate, a Quebec team and an Eastern and Western Canada team. Most of the Canadians are from Ontario.
Amazing what a higher population accomplishes.

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12-19-2009, 05:50 PM
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It's not being cocky, it's being factual.
Dont confuse your mere opinion with "facts".

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If so, only barely... Never heard the "population argument" applied to Canada. The fact is that despite having pretty much the same population as those four countries combined, there are almost three times as many people enrolled to play hockey in Canada as there are in those countries combined. That makes the difference.
Well sure that does help. But I still think that hockey is quite big in at least some of those countries.

If we take for example Finland, I estimate that the quality of hockey players would be better if the population was doubled and the same percent of them was enrolled as opposite to scenario where the population stayed the same but twice as many people played hockey. Some people just aren't naturally gifted for sports. Of course if a small number of kids who'd do well in sports played hockey taking more of them from other sports would be clearly more effective.

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12-19-2009, 06:01 PM
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It's like Brazil being able to send 2 teams to the WC in soccer.

The difference is, that canadian hockey fans are arrogant enough to actually think this is a good idea. Where did Canada end up the last time around, 7:th?

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12-19-2009, 06:04 PM
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Dont confuse your mere opinion with "facts".
It is a fact, whether you want to admit it or not

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12-19-2009, 06:05 PM
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Didn't you hear? Canada has like, one medal in the last 15 years or something! Obviously they suck. And there's nothing wrong with a little trash talk from a bottom feeder.
I think it's one in the last 60.

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12-19-2009, 06:09 PM
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For the Olympics,
Come on lets be honest. Canada could probably send 10 teams to the Olympics. That said, for the Canadians that won't make Team Canada, why don't they just come over to some countries where they will get guaranteed playing time and a roster spot. I'm not opposed to naturalising some Canadians to my country's national team.

Marc Savard would look nice in a swiss uniform.

Any other people with me?
Both Sweden and the Fins could send two teams--and so could the rooskies and Czechs

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It's like Brazil being able to send 2 teams to the WC in soccer.

The difference is, that canadian hockey fans are arrogant enough to actually think this is a good idea. Where did Canada end up the last time around, 7:th?
Damn Europeans LOL

I'm sure there have been many Americans say they could send 2 or more basketball or baseball teams.
I'm sure there are some in Brazil say we could send 2 teams in soccer.

So a few Canadians say we have the DEPTH to send 2 teams makes us arrogant?

Some of you people are unbelievable.

I guess it's arrogance that in the Under 17 challenge that Canada sends 5 teams or in the little league world series the US has 8 teams.

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12-19-2009, 06:11 PM
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Both Sweden and the Fins could send two teams--and so could the rooskies and Czechs
So could the Americans---why not have a team from each province/state/region/city/whatever

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Without the one-game elimination Canada would most probably be without a gold medal in the last 3 olympics.
Nice try. lol.

In 1998, in particular, Canada would have been HEAVILY favored against any team in the tournament in a 5 or 7 game series. Russia was relatively weak, a strong U.S. team was already on the decline, and the Czechs and Hasek could not have sustained the pressure they were facing for that many games. The 1998 team was absolutely stacked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ter_Olympics_2


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12-19-2009, 06:17 PM
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Well sure that does help. But I still think that hockey is quite big in at least some of those countries.

If we take for example Finland, I estimate that the quality of hockey players would be better if the population was doubled and the same percent of them was enrolled as opposite to scenario where the population stayed the same but twice as many people played hockey. Some people just aren't naturally gifted for sports. Of course if a small number of kids who'd do well in sports played hockey taking more of them from other sports would be clearly more effective.
Without increased investment/interest in the sport, the quality of players would increase but not "double", due to diminishing marginal returns, etc. Which would lead to more player improvement depends on the relative prominence of hockey in Finland, with which I'm not familiar. If it's already the number one sport, then maybe, but if talent is being drained to soccer, handball, etc., then it's hard to say which move would lead to greater success.

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Both Sweden and the Fins could send two teams--and so could the rooskies and Czechs
And they would not have a legitimate shot at Gold (i.e. with two teams, they would have much worse combined odds than with one). Canada, and only Canada, can ice two elite teams, meaning that their odds of success would actually increase by sending two teams because neither team would be much worse than the "A" team and two teams are better able than one to weather bad luck in a one-game elimination format. Even Russia would be severely damaged by having to send two teams rather than one, particularly on the back end/bottom six. If their top-six talent was broken up, it would be much easier for teams to neutralize them. Finland and the Czechs would be decimated, Sweden might still be moderately competitive, but not nearly the threat they are at present.


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Brazil could send 2 WC teams in soccer but that is a worldwide sport. So is basketball.

Ice Hockey is Canada's "own" game that is also popular in couple of other countries. But when you think of it, Canada should win every time because it's the only diehard-hockey country in the world. Sure russians, swedes, finns (as long as we are good at it) etc. like the sport but in Canada it's like a religion. Kinda like soccer in Europe. So...only one Olympic gold in 50 years? Oh man that is poor

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12-19-2009, 07:34 PM
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Brazil could send 2 WC teams in soccer but that is a worldwide sport. So is basketball.

Ice Hockey is Canada's "own" game that is also popular in couple of other countries. But when you think of it, Canada should win every time because it's the only diehard-hockey country in the world. Sure russians, swedes, finns (as long as we are good at it) etc. like the sport but in Canada it's like a religion. Kinda like soccer in Europe. So...only one Olympic gold in 50 years? Oh man that is poor

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Hi,

If you don't know why there have been so few Olympic gold medals for Canada in 50 years, then you don't really know the sport and its history.

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12-19-2009, 07:41 PM
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The WJC Team Canada would destroy the Senior Team USA lol!
I really hope you aren't serious, we are talking boys vs professionally trained men here. Canada's jr teams haven't even been that much better than the USA jr teams the past few years.

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Brazil could send 2 WC teams in soccer but that is a worldwide sport. So is basketball.

Ice Hockey is Canada's "own" game that is also popular in couple of other countries. But when you think of it, Canada should win every time because it's the only diehard-hockey country in the world. Sure russians, swedes, finns (as long as we are good at it) etc. like the sport but in Canada it's like a religion. Kinda like soccer in Europe. So...only one Olympic gold in 50 years? Oh man that is poor

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ularsports.PNG

hey you want a fair comparison let's play the game the way it's supposed to be played, none of this one and done BS, play a best of series and see what happens. In a single game situation even a poor team can beat a good team... or are you one of those people who thinks that belarus was a better team than sweden in 2002?

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Hi,

If you don't know why there have been so few Olympic gold medals for Canada in 50 years, then you don't really know the sport and its history.
And you should get your sarcasm-radar fixed

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hey you want a fair comparison let's play the game the way it's supposed to be played, none of this one and done BS, play a best of series and see what happens. In a single game situation even a poor team can beat a good team... or are you one of those people who thinks that belarus was a better team than sweden in 2002?
And there's another...

But yeah, I agree. Canada has the best team on paper. And you're probably right, they (or Russia) would win almost every time if the games were played best of 7 or some thing like that. But that would be boring as helium


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Brazil could send 2 WC teams in soccer but that is a worldwide sport. So is basketball.

Ice Hockey is Canada's "own" game that is also popular in couple of other countries. But when you think of it, Canada should win every time because it's the only diehard-hockey country in the world. Sure russians, swedes, finns (as long as we are good at it) etc. like the sport but in Canada it's like a religion. Kinda like soccer in Europe. So...only one Olympic gold in 50 years? Oh man that is poor

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ularsports.PNG
Ice Hockey is actually the 6th or 7th most popular sport in the world.

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To be fair, soccer, basketball, baseball, rugby don't.

Though I'd like it, imagine the BS we'd hear if both our teams bombed.

And when the Americans take hockey serious, they'd ice 5 teams.
Im thinking this is a joke... but seriously? Hockey will just never have the market in America that football and baseball has built.... doesn't mean that some Americans don't take it serious. Different strokes for different folks.

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hey you want a fair comparison let's play the game the way it's supposed to be played, none of this one and done BS, play a best of series and see what happens. In a single game situation even a poor team can beat a good team... or are you one of those people who thinks that belarus was a better team than sweden in 2002?
There is no single way a game is "supposed to be played". If you were stupid enough to lose against lesser competition, it's your own fault.

If you want to be the best, you have to be able to beat everyone, regardless how a tournament is set up.
There is a difference between thinking that you are superior and actually showing it. Sweden thought they were better than Belarus, but they weren't delivering on the ice. If they had played as well as they were capable of, Belarus wouldn't have been able to win.

In other words, the best of excuse gets kind of tiresome. Either you are good enough, or you are not. If you can't focus on a single game, you don't deserve to win.

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12-20-2009, 04:46 AM
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I really hope you aren't serious, we are talking boys vs professionally trained men here. Canada's jr teams haven't even been that much better than the USA jr teams the past few years.
Sure they have, considering the USA jr teams have gone home with nothing in the WJC the past few years and Canada has gone home with gold in the last 5.

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And there's another...

But yeah, I agree. Canada has the best team on paper. And you're probably right, they (or Russia) would win almost every time if the games were played best of 7 or some thing like that. But that would be boring as helium
Sweden would probably have won in 2002 with a best of 7.
Totaly outplayed Canada with 5-2 or something like that in the group.
Actually, Sweden had a better team in 2002 than 2006 on all positions except the goalie.

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Ice Hockey is actually the 6th or 7th most popular sport in the world.


You're kidding right?

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Ice Hockey is actually the 6th or 7th most popular sport in the world.
Not possible since no one plays hockey in three continents...Africa, Oceania (Australia) and South America. Then you have a huge part of Asia where it's the same thing.

It's basically Europe northern and central), NA and Russia(+that part of Asia)....that's about it. Japan takes part in the B-group in WC, but I'm willing to bet my ass on hockey being a minimal sport in Japan.

It's a very small sport, couldn't possibly be top-10 world wide.

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Nice try. lol.

In 1998, in particular, Canada would have been HEAVILY favored against any team in the tournament in a 5 or 7 game series. Russia was relatively weak, a strong U.S. team was already on the decline, and the Czechs and Hasek could not have sustained the pressure they were facing for that many games. The 1998 team was absolutely stacked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ter_Olympics_2
If Canada had the best record and only lost a "fluke" game you'd have a point but in the reality both Czechia and Russia ended up with a better record. They were simply better teams. Everything else is just speculation on your part.

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