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12-20-2009, 09:24 AM
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Not so OT: Would LECAVALIER get claimed off waivers?

He only has 8 goals, his body is beat up after 11 years of being targetted in this league and his production is declining for a while now. The last four years, he has "led" his team to two first-round exits followed by two years missing the playoffs entirely, on their way to three now. Plus he isn't a good PKer or late-game defence guy. Yet his contract is for 10.5 more years at a cap hit of $7.7M per year.

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P.S. Who even has the cap space? I'm not even sure the Habs would claim him (hence the "not so OT" line).

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12-20-2009, 09:27 AM
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He only has 8 goals, his body is beat up after 11 years of being targetted in this league and his production is declining for a while now. The last four years, he has "led" his team to two first-round exits followed by two years missing the playoffs entirely, on their way to three now. Plus he isn't a good PKer or late-game defence guy. Yet his contract is for 10.5 more years at a cap hit of $7.7M per year.

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P.S. Who even has the cap space? I'm not even sure the Habs would claim him (hence the "not so OT" line).
The leafs might be interested...theyre a great center away from a guarenteed playoff berth. Plus they have a boatload of money coming off the books next year. Just a thought.

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12-20-2009, 09:28 AM
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yes no doubt... he's not washed up or anything, just not producing elite numbers right now.

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Leafs will grab him before Habs (especially because they are under us in the standings and need a big centre, like us).

And if Leafs take him the rivalry will explode !!!

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I think other teams would take him. Just for what he can bring if he wakes up.

I would still take him for the Habs. Even if it's to make drastic trades or at least send a few of our guys off waivers too.

It's sad to see him though. I think Tortorella overused him too much at Tampa. I remember at times where when he and St Louis were stellar during the regular season but come playoff times, they were completly exausted. I can't believe how they managed to win the cup.

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12-20-2009, 09:39 AM
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It's sad to see him though. I think Tortorella overused him too much at Tampa. I remember at times where when he and St Louis were stellar during the regular season but come playoff times, they were completly exausted. I can't believe how they managed to win the cup.
Well, they won the Cup finals without a single goal from Vinnie, though to his credit he did at least contribute like a good fourth-liner, taking on Iginla in the fisticuffs department.

So how did they win? Brad Richards had the playoff of his life, St. Louis was clutch at times and the VETERANS Andreychuk and Taylor provided the real leadership while Dan Boyle quick-started the transition game.

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12-20-2009, 09:44 AM
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Why on earth would Tampa waive him ???? Cuz of one crap season ???

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Well, they won the Cup finals without a single goal from Vinnie, though to his credit he did at least contribute like a good fourth-liner, taking on Iginla in the fisticuffs department.

So how did they win? Brad Richards had the playoff of his life, St. Louis was clutch at times and the VETERANS Andreychuk and Taylor provided the real leadership while Dan Boyle quick-started the transition game.
No question. A lot of other guys contributed. Vinny played like a beast, though. Like he was on a mission(even if he did not score).

Another point is that he was younger and his body could take a lot more.

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Why on earth would Tampa waive him ???? Cuz of one crap season ???
Because they're losing money like a car crash victim loses blood..?

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Why on earth would Tampa waive him ???? Cuz of one crap season ???
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Because they're losing money like a car crash victim loses blood..?
And it's not like they would actually MISS his contributions, at the end of the day. I mean they are no longer a playoff team even with him.

By waiving him, they will have the money to pay Stamkos and Hedman bigger bucks down the road as well as find a transition D and still have $2 left to give Tanguay the raise he thinks he is in line for (ok, that was a gratuitous shot at the guy).


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They will not waive him.

Vincent Lecavalier despite having a bad year and having a bad contract is still an extremely good ASSET for any team for the next 5 years. Odds are, he won't even play out his entire contract so the contract comes off the books.

Gomez got traded for players, and Gomez had a worse year then Lecavalier is having. Tampa Bay, worse case scenerio, will trade him for a crap load of draft picks and prospects. Possibly accept role players with 1-2 years left on the contracts to allow the other team to fit Vinny in.

If anyone he thinks Vinny goes on waivers, you don't know jack **** about asset management at the NHL level.

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12-20-2009, 10:14 AM
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If TB would be willing to take Gomez + a guy like Webber or /and SK, I think Lecavalier would become a tremendous asset for the Habs.

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12-20-2009, 10:16 AM
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Totally forget Vinny. We might as well talk about taking Wickenheiser instead of Savard in the draft. it is old.

Vinny costs way too much for doing way too little

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12-20-2009, 10:23 AM
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Totally forget Vinny. We might as well talk about taking Wickenheiser instead of Savard in the draft. it is old.

Vinny costs way too much for doing way too little
Thornton = 9 goals

Vinny = 8 goals

He's got 31 points without playing with his buddy St-Louis...

Just imagine a
Cammalleri- Lecavalier combo with Gionta

Plekanec - A.K combo + a big winger obtained thru a trade or even Pacioretty.

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Thornton = 9 goals

Vinny = 8 goals

He's got 31 points without playing with his buddy St-Louis...

Just imagine a
Cammalleri- Lecavalier combo with Gionta

Plekanec - A.K combo + a big winger obtained thru a trade or even Pacioretty.
Thornton = 39 assists

Lecavalier = 23 assists

See, I can do that too. It's pretty silly to compare a natural goal scorer like Vinny to a pass first player like Joe Thornton. It's not like Vinny does not have a supporting cast either.

I think he just hates not being the centre of that franchise right now. Watch some Tampa games, it is pretty clear Stamkos is the better player right now. Vinny has lost interest.

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12-20-2009, 10:44 AM
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Thornton = 39 assists

Lecavalier = 23 assists

See, I can do that too. It's pretty silly to compare a natural goal scorer like Vinny to a pass first player like Joe Thornton. It's not like Vinny does not have a supporting cast either.

I think he just hates not being the centre of that franchise right now. Watch some Tampa games, it is pretty clear Stamkos is the better player right now. Vinny has lost interest.

Is that all. Nothing to do with his talent and capabilities to rebound if traded to another team.

Vinny has played mainly with Tanguay who is underachiving and Downie.

Malone-Stamkos-St-Louis are the first line.

And you would also had lost interest if your bosses would had tried to trade you last year without telling you. Vinny probably regrets now to have re-signed with TB.

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Thornton = 9 goals

Vinny = 8 goals

He's got 31 points without playing with his buddy St-Louis...

Just imagine a
Cammalleri- Lecavalier combo with Gionta

Plekanec - A.K combo + a big winger obtained thru a trade or even Pacioretty.
TB has fewer goals for than we do at 87 vs our pathetic 93. If Vinny was anything close to being an offensive machine nobody would need to split hairs talking about assists.

Comparing Vinny's numbers to Thornton means absolutely nothing

Vinny is yesterday's man being paid for stats he never really achieved. Plain and simple we need somebody to score goals. Not somebody who happens to be one of the last 3 guys to touch the puck before a goal.

He makes too much money and does nothing to merit it. If he was still a top 10 man in the league (or even top 20) it might be a different story. He isn't any more. Get over the Vinny thing


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12-20-2009, 12:21 PM
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Of course. A team like Toronto or Los Angeles would claim him in a heartbeat. Los Angeles has long been linked to Vinny, and they have the room. I'm not sure if Columbus could afford it, but they have the cap space, and could use a center. Dallas is having an off year and have the cap space for Lecavalier.

And keeping in line with the clear reasons behind this thread, I think Montreal would, if we could somehow move Gomez.

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Is that all. Nothing to do with his talent and capabilities to rebound if traded to another team.

Vinny has played mainly with Tanguay who is underachiving and Downie.

Malone-Stamkos-St-Louis are the first line.

And you would also had lost interest if your bosses would had tried to trade you last year without telling you. Vinny probably regrets now to have re-signed with TB.
Stop defending Vinny by saying he didnt have wingers to play it. Its ridiculous. He played with St. Louis last season, he didnt do **** but St. Louis was still producing and then they put Marty with Stamkos and it start clicking. He is not on the first line because is not that good enough anymore.

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Vinny is still an elite talent in this league and would be claimed by the first team that could afford him. Gomez is the one that wouldn't be claimed, no matter how many times scouts watched that pass last night.

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Vinny would get claimed off waivers for sure, just that the list of teams able to afford his contract is likely very short, though whichever one that came first on the list would most assuredly take a gamble on him.

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Vinny is still an elite talent in this league and would be claimed by the first team that could afford him. Gomez is the one that wouldn't be claimed, no matter how many times scouts watched that pass last night.
Who'd have thunk it, a post bashing Gomez by OneSharpMarble, that's got to be the first post of the sort you ever write, right?

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Who'd have thunk it, a post bashing Gomez by OneSharpMarble, that's got to be the first post of the sort you ever write, right?
I have also been bashing Gainey, Carbonneau, Latendresse, Brisebois and Kovalev for YEARS. What can I say when you're right you're right.

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Sorry, who makes these threads?

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He wouldn't... because Tampa couldn't put him on waivers without his permission. Gotta love No-movement clauses.

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No doubt he gets claimed in the second he is put on waivers. Scott Gomez on the other hand ...

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