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12-21-2009, 05:10 PM
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Buffalo - Colorado - Philadelphia


D John-Michael Liles (4.200)


F Scott Hartnell (4.200)


F Drew Stafford (1.900)
2010 3rd Round Pick (Colorado)

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12-21-2009, 05:13 PM
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barf from a Buffalo point of view.

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The Avs should do this cause Hartnell is a good player but I hate that guy so no. I'd rather have Stafford with that pick.

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barf from a Buffalo point of view.
Elaborate.

Either you're severely underrating Liles or overrating Stafford. The value might not be perfect, but it certainly isn't horrid.

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12-21-2009, 05:28 PM
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barf from a Buffalo point of view.
I thought Buffalo fans were not liking Stafford. Am I getting confused with someone else?

As to the main deal, looks quite solid to me.

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12-21-2009, 05:32 PM
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what? what? are kidding me. We give up Stafford so that Colorado can get Hartnell? Uh.......NO.

Heres a better idea. We'll ship Stafford to Philly, and we're provide a pick, we can manage. Hell, we're even make a it a first. Then we're go use Tallinder or Lydman to acquire someone like Barker or Corvo.

It's not that Stafford for Lilies is a bad deal. But Stafford for Hartnell would be so much better.

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12-21-2009, 05:35 PM
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what? what? are kidding me. We give up Stafford so that Colorado can get Hartnell? Uh.......NO.

Heres a better idea. We'll ship Stafford to Philly, and we're provide a pick, we can manage. Hell, we're even make a it a first. Then we're go use Tallinder or Lydman to acquire someone like Barker or Corvo.

It's not that Stafford for Lilies is a bad deal. But Stafford for Hartnell would be so much better.
most are under the impression that the Sabres are in need of a puck moving defenseman, are we incorrect?

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12-21-2009, 05:36 PM
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Good trade


Shocking considering the amount of crap usually posted on this board

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12-21-2009, 05:42 PM
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Buffalo POV:

Defense is a position of strength.
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Scoring, especially from the top six, is a weakness.
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Trading a cheap top six forward with upside for a defenseman is a non starter.

Or, to put it another way; If Buffalo is part of a 3 team trade involving Hartnell, we're the ones getting him.

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A trade the Flyers actually consider?

Wow.

But since this makes really no sense for Buffalo, why not just Hartnell and a 3rd to Buffalo for Stafford and Enroth?

How would Buffalo fans feel about that?

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most are under the impression that the Sabres are in need of a puck moving defenseman, are we incorrect?
There is no question that we need a PP QB. But we could also use a shake up in the top 6 which has underperformed like nobodies business. (our leading point man this year has 26 points, and our leading scorers both have 10G) Our top six is built for a wide open run and shoot style offense. This year we are playing a Red Wing's style puck possession game. IMO (and many others) we could use some more grit. Gaustad, Kaleta, and Grier are all physical players. But their point production combined will barely surpass Hartnell's. If at all. I'd much prefer a Powerforward with a scoring touch, who can contribute from opening faceoff to the final horn, over a power play QB, who primarily role is on the powerplay.

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But since this makes really no sense for Buffalo, why not just Hartnell and a 3rd to Buffalo for Stafford and Enroth?

How would Buffalo fans feel about that?
Probably a slight overpayment from Buffalo, but it's not outlandish. I'd rather move Pominville, and giving Philly a potential fix for their achille's heel might require some overpayment on their part, even if Enroth isn't quite ready yet.

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D John-Michael Liles (4.200)


F Scott Hartnell (4.200)


F Drew Stafford (1.900)
2010 3rd Round Pick (Colorado)
Buffalo can't afford bringing in more money without shipping some more out.

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Probably a slight overpayment from Buffalo, but it's not outlandish. I'd rather move Pominville, and giving Philly a potential fix for their achille's heel might require some overpayment on their part, even if Enroth isn't quite ready yet.
No interest from Philly in Pominville. The only piece that I feel makes sense for the Flyers to pursue is Stafford.

What if we were to send you Hartnell, Matsumoto, and a 3rd for Stafford and Enroth?

I don't think Philly's in a position to stretch it much further, but we'd give up a center prospect as well.

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A trade the Flyers actually consider?

Wow.

But since this makes really no sense for Buffalo, why not just Hartnell and a 3rd to Buffalo for Stafford and Enroth?

How would Buffalo fans feel about that?
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orginal deal is pretty good but cutting colorado out and Buf and philly work out a deal with these players as the main parts


Enroth Stafford Hartnell

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No interest from Philly in Pominville. The only piece that I feel makes sense for the Flyers to pursue is Stafford.

What if we were to send you Hartnell, Matsumoto, and a 3rd for Stafford and Enroth?

I don't think Philly's in a position to stretch it much further, but we'd give up a center prospect as well.
Really? Briere and Pominville have a history of complimenting each other very well, and you've got Briere locked up for quite a while. Rolling 3 lines of Richards, Carter, and Briere (with a known good parter on wing) sure sounds like a winning combination to me. Especially if you also get a blue chip goaltending prospect that could be ready as early as next season.

I think your proposal is close, though I think it's still something of an overpayment from Buffalo's POV. What's Matsumoto's upside? Top six potential? I'm assuming he's expected to put on some weight at 6', 184 lbs?

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There is no question that we need a PP QB. But we could also use a shake up in the top 6 which has underperformed like nobodies business. (our leading point man this year has 26 points, and our leading scorers both have 10G) Our top six is built for a wide open run and shoot style offense. This year we are playing a Red Wing's style puck possession game. IMO (and many others) we could use some more grit. Gaustad, Kaleta, and Grier are all physical players. But their point production combined will barely surpass Hartnell's. If at all. I'd much prefer a Powerforward with a scoring touch, who can contribute from opening faceoff to the final horn, over a power play QB, who primarily role is on the powerplay.
ok cool, thanks for your insight, in this case then, we really dont make good trading partners with buffalo in the sense that we are looking to shed a d-man (one of liles, clark, salei, maaaybe hannan) in order to gain a top 6 LEFT winger

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Elaborate.

Either you're severely underrating Liles or overrating Stafford. The value might not be perfect, but it certainly isn't horrid.
No, it is horrid, thanks for trying to convince us otherwise though.

This team has a plethora of defenseman and you have us trading our most physical Top 6'er (where physicality is the main problem with the top 6) for an average, soft d-man with a 4.2 million cap hit. GTFO

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Elaborate.

Either you're severely underrating Liles or overrating Stafford. The value might not be perfect, but it certainly isn't horrid.
- The Sabres add 2.3 million in cap space, that they don't have
- The Sabres trade their only winger with size, someone who is signed below value for 2 more years.
- The Sabres add a defensemen, when they already have 8 NHL defensemen on the roster.

nothing about the deal makes any sense. The Sabres have needs but creating a bigger weakness in one area, to address a minor weakness in another is illogical.

Value means nothing, unless it is in the context of the all teams involved.

This deal does nothing for Buffalo.

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A trade the Flyers actually consider?

Wow.

But since this makes really no sense for Buffalo, why not just Hartnell and a 3rd to Buffalo for Stafford and Enroth?

How would Buffalo fans feel about that?
Pominville and Enroth for Carter... how do Philly fans feel about that?

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If Buffalo were ever to trade with Philly. I hope it's Richards. He's seems to be a combo of briere and drury from skill and leadership standpoints. These attributes will be magnified with him playing in the blue and gold. But it will never happen.

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Avs get shafted.

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Pominville and Enroth for Carter... how do Philly fans feel about that?
Not only does Pominville cost more, but the reason the Flyers would like Stafford on the team wouldn't be money.

I don't think Pominville gets it done for us. It's just not what we're looking for.

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