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12-22-2009, 12:42 PM
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Point System Change, What do you think?

I was talking with some people yesterday and came up with this new point system... in lieu of the fact that there was nothing of interest to discuss about the Jackets team other than the same old same old recently... and thought it may be interesting to get some feedback on it.

Here it is:

So it would still be run off of the 2 possible points per game... but here's the change.

Losers never get any points.

If the game is won in regulation, winning team gets +2.

If the game is won in the 5min OT, winning team gets +1.

If the game goes to a shootout, neither team gets any points, but stats count.

What I see this doing is making teams play down to the last minute of regulation to get the +2, no more of this playing on the heels to secure at least +1 BS. If the game goes to OT, the teams would still play their arse's off to get a +1, cause hell, 1/2 ain't bad if the other option is zero. The point of +0 and stats count in the shootout is to make the players dread going to a shootout as this "skills competition showcase" only becomes a moral victory for the fans and a stat buffer for the goal scorers, but detrimental to the goalies stats... force the players to want to win to get points and save their goalies stat sheets.

I think that this would take the current system of play and force the players to actually play hard for 60min (something uncommon to us Jacket fans) and make them hate going to a shootout.

So what are your thoughts?

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12-22-2009, 12:43 PM
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other thing...

One other thing... does anyone have an avatar of "Carry the Dead Weight" with a picture of the team???

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12-22-2009, 12:51 PM
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No thanks. That SO thing is horrible. Not trying to offend, but horrible.

We got obsessed with this whole "someone has to win every game" nonsense and how we're trying to tweak the new system every 10 minutes like we are with the freakin BCS system.

I lost interest in shootouts after about the same number of games I lost interest in Arena football.

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Don't change the point totals. Just change the goal system: first period goals don't count, only 2nd and 3rd period goals count.

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"Moral Victories" 5 points
"Learning Victories" 4 points
"Playing Hard for 50 Minutes" 3 points
"Winning a Fight" 2 points
"Losing a game in overtime" 1 point
"Winning the game" 0 points.

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I'd rather trade rounds of 4-3 PP's then the SO system we have now.

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If I made the rules, I woul play 4-4 overtime till a goal was scored. No points for the loser. It would make for some long games once in a while, but it would also declare a true winner.

For the time constraint argument, the ot period could be 20:00 minutes. If it ends in a tie, one point per team. 4-4 also.

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I'd prefer 10 minutes of sudden death 4v4. If that time ends declare it a tie, no points awarded to either team.

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12-22-2009, 01:26 PM
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Most logical system to me would be...

Win in Regulation = 3 Pts
Win in Overtime = 2 pts
Loss in Overtime = 1 Point

Or eliminate points entirely. Best winning percentage is best.

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I like this method put forth in Puck-Rakers.

Same rules except for the team with an enforcer automatically gets 3 goals to begin the gam . Each team gets one goal for each fight started.

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Most logical system to me would be...

Win in Regulation = 3 Pts
Win in Overtime = 2 pts
Loss in Overtime = 1 Point

Or eliminate points entirely. Best winning percentage is best.
This.

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I kinda like the 5 point system. that way there is a fixed number of points per game. right now 1 in 5/6 games has an extra point. So a real 500 team needs about 95 points not 82.


0 = lose in 60
1 = lose in over time
2 = lose in Shot out
3 = win in shot out
4 = win in over time
5 = win in 60

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I hate that you get a point for losing, its ridiculous. I like the idea of 4 on 4 for 10 minutes, no points for a tie

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They should just go back to the way things used to be. 2 points for a win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss. If it's tied after OT, then it's a tie. No shootouts.

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I kinda like the 5 point system. that way there is a fixed number of points per game. right now 1 in 5/6 games has an extra point. So a real 500 team needs about 95 points not 82.


0 = lose in 60
1 = lose in over time
2 = lose in Shot out
3 = win in shot out
4 = win in over time
5 = win in 60
Interesting idea... but how would that work out in record keeping??? Right now we get the 7-3-1 type format, meaning 7 wins, 3 losses, 1 OT loss totaling +15

I also like the idea of the 3-2-1-0 format, just thought that my posted idea could operate within current game format, not changing the game or what kind of rounds are played.

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If I made the rules, I woul play 4-4 overtime till a goal was scored. No points for the loser. It would make for some long games once in a while, but it would also declare a true winner.

For the time constraint argument, the ot period could be 20:00 minutes. If it ends in a tie, one point per team. 4-4 also.
What you have is not bad. I would like to see 10min 4-4 then 10min 3-3 if still tied then end the game in a tie and give both teams 1 point.

But really I would not care what they do as long as the SO is gone forever.

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Most logical system to me would be...

Win in Regulation = 3 Pts
Win in Overtime = 2 pts
Loss in Overtime = 1 Point
This is working just fine in Europe. I have no idea why the NHL won't go with that - because it's not their original idea?

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This is working just fine in Europe. I have no idea why the NHL won't go with that - because it's not their original idea?
I agree with this, or if the 2 point system is preferred then 2 pts for a win, 1.5 for an overtime or shoot out win and 0.5 for a shootout or overtime loss.

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12-22-2009, 07:33 PM
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I like this idea:

Win in regulation or 10 minute 4 on 4 OT = 2 Pts
Win in shootout = 1 pt
Loss = 0

No more 3 point games and teams don't play for the loser point on the road or vs. other conference. Extra 5 minutes of OT will hopefully decrease the number of shootouts (especially with losing at least a point) but keeps the shootout in for the fans who like it. As for me, I like to watch the shootout but usually don't like the results. If not this, then at least go to a 3 point system. What would be the point of a shootout with no reward? I think you would get the goofiest shots being attempted or no effort at all. Either way, I can't see a goalie making a great effort and risking injury for no team reward (No Points).

I hate the current system. I would be more interested in other games if I were rooting for or against a team rather then just hoping it doesn't get to OT.

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Due to the shootouts (which I hate), we no longer have ties. So why are points even needed? They don't use points in any other of the pro sport leagues, so why does the NHL still do it?

But I do agree with camel, you shouldn't get anything for a loss. The point is to win the game.

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Loss = 0

Extra 5 minutes of OT will hopefully decrease the number of shootouts.
The problem is, if you won't award any points to a team losing in OT, it promotes defensive play more. It's very easy to lose in OT by trying to win because of 4 on 4 and giving up a two-on-one.

Regulation win 2 pts
Regulation loss 0 pts
Overtime win 2 pts
Overtime loss 1 pt
Shootout win 1 pt
Shootout loss 0 pts

That would probably make teams try to avoid shootouts?

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Regulation Win - 3
SO/OT Win - 2
SO /OTL - 1
Regulation Loss - 0

Or if you REALLY want to do things sweet:
You Win, You Win
You Lose, You Lose

Tied after regulation:
10 minutes 4 on 4
Still tied:
3 on 3 until there's a winner.

Problem solved.

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They should just go back to the way things used to be. 2 points for a win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss. If it's tied after OT, then it's a tie. No shootouts.
I like this but keep the shootout. Shootout wins is tie-breaker after wins.

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I like this but keep the shootout. Shootout wins is tie-breaker after wins.
I agree with this... would make things better I think. Before the SO change, when I was younger, I use to always want to see shootouts (before I knew how much BS they would make the point system into). But anyway...

Go back to the +2 for a win in regulation, +1 for a tie at the end of OT.

At the end of OT, each team leaves with +1, splitting the possible +2. But the game should still go to shootout and add an xtra slot in record keeping to keep track of shootout wins and losses, for tie-breaker purposes. But in the SO, stats do not count and no extra points awarded. So it really is just an enjoyable "showcase" for the fans, but only counts on the back end of the season if there happens to be a tie for playoff placement.

But then of course the point comes into play what if the Jackets and Nashville are tied going into the playoffs... the Jackets SO record is 10-5, but Nashville's SO record is 20-15... do you go off number of SO victories, or the percentage won? If you go off victories, Nashville goes, the won more, but also went to more SO decisions... if you go off percentage, then the Jackets go in this example (winning 67% to Nashville's 57%).

Wow this topic can get in depth... no wonder they don't want to mess with it.

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I don't know, to me I've always thought using a shootout to determine a winner and loser would be about the same as the MLB using a home run derby to determine games that go into extra innings. Or NBA using free throws to determine games tied after OT.

IMO the shootout is boring and really nothing like anything during the game. At least during the game breakaways are exciting. I don't know, just my opinion. I pretty much just lose all interest in games once they go past the OT period.

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