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12-25-2009, 05:18 AM
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Andrei for David should be fair trade. But I don't think either teams go for it.

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12-25-2009, 09:21 AM
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backes >AK
second > SK
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12-25-2009, 12:12 PM
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How does that make him a troll?
Backes>AK and with the way SK has been handling himself this year, he isn't worth much, probably worth more to montreal then another team right now.

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12-25-2009, 12:29 PM
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The way he's developing, Max Tardy as well.
Reminds me a lot of Oshie.
Yup, him too. Love Pavelec but again with Lehtonen's injury history.....

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12-25-2009, 01:02 PM
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Oh and if were doing hit videos, I'll add some for Backes.








Did I mention he can score too?






Yeah, you can keep Kostitsyn.



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12-26-2009, 04:39 AM
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And Backes has 14 points in his last 14 games with a physical presence that Kostitsyn could never even come close to matching. Just look at his 8 hits against the Lightning in a game last week. Backes would have value even if he put up only 20-30 points every year.
Okay first off, Backes is more phyiscal than Andrei, no doubt.

BUT...

Andrei Kostitsyn, regardless of his nationality, is a rough and tough little *****. Andrei averages approximately 1.8 hits per game in comparison to Backes a 2.8. So even though Backes throws more hits, I just wanted to point out that Andrei is a finese player with a bit of a mean streak.

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12-26-2009, 04:46 AM
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12-26-2009, 08:11 AM
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Andrei for David should be fair trade. But I don't think either teams go for it.
I agree although i would give the slight value-advantage to Andrei Kostitsyn based on production and talent. Blues fans seem to think that AK is soft or non-physical which couldn't be further from the truth. Its because of AK's physical play that i give him the nod over Backes. AK is physical, talented and he produces. He has a dimension to his game that i do not think Backes will ever have (ie. talent level). Backes may be more physical but its not like we are comparing Backes to a softie like Ribeiro. AK more than holds his own in the physical department and he initiates contact.

But i'm sure Blues fans will debate that Backes has more value to the Blues than AK does just as there is no question that AK's value to the Habs is far higher than Backes based on the fact that he is 1/3 of one of the best top-lines in the league. For the Habs to trade AK for Backes straight up would be the height of stupidity. Why break up our best line - especially now that AK is scorching hot over the past 17 games? (and 9 goals in his last 10)

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12-26-2009, 10:25 AM
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Kostitsyn is usually only physical when he's motivated and he usually only produces when he's motivated. He's not always motivated. And even then he's not as physical as Backes. But... he is alot tougher and physical than Blues fans give him credit for.

I think the value of Backes and Kostitsyn is fair but both teams won't make the deal. Both are definitely good players though. Backes more physical, Andrei more skill. Depends what you want on your team.

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12-26-2009, 11:16 AM
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Kostitsyn is usually only physical when he's motivated and he usually only produces when he's motivated. He's not always motivated. And even then he's not as physical as Backes. But... he is alot tougher and physical than Blues fans give him credit for.

I think the value of Backes and Kostitsyn is fair but both teams won't make the deal. Both are definitely good players though. Backes more physical, Andrei more skill. Depends what you want on your team.
This is pretty much the unbiased reality of the whole situation, bottom line is I don't think the Blues can give up Backes' intangibles just to get a slight edge in scoring and I doubt Montreal has lost too many games because they didn't get an extra check or two thrown, so why throw out a guy who's gelled into your 1st line.

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12-26-2009, 03:26 PM
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Lol Backes but it is close. Hard to compare Kos to Backes because they play different styles.


By the way Habs fans, when you bring up nationality and try to belittle another teams fanbase when they say they believe (correctly, IMO) that their player is better than yours, it really makes you sound like ignorant homers.

Yea Backes is better than Kostitsyn, but STL doesn't have that Habs tradition!!!

Give me a break.

And don't act like the Blues have only been around for 4 or 5 years. There is quite a big fanbase in STL. Maybe if instead of assuming hockey means nothing to anyone south of Minnesota you should expirience it for yourself. Canadien hockey fans in general underestimate the amount of die hard American hockey fans.

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12-27-2009, 10:16 PM
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Are people really trying to claim that the "hits" statistic is an indication of physical play? Moreover, trying to claim that 1 additional recorded hit is indicative of superior physical presence?
It's not like that metric is totally dependent upon which arena the player plays in or anything...

Honestly, the hits metric indicates just one thing: whether a player hits or not. It's not a measurement of physical play or physical presence. Anyone who claims otherwise flat out doesn't understand hockey.
Actually, it was 40 additional hits in one more game... but why split hairs?

I agree that the hits statistic is not the be all end all of physical play, but it is the best recorded statistic we have to indicate this. I actually like Kotitsyn, but he and Backes are completely different types of players. The Blues NEED a player like Kostitsyn, but not at the expense of one of the most physical players on the team.

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12-27-2009, 10:18 PM
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Kostitsyn is usually only physical when he's motivated and he usually only produces when he's motivated. He's not always motivated. And even then he's not as physical as Backes. But... he is alot tougher and physical than Blues fans give him credit for.

I think the value of Backes and Kostitsyn is fair but both teams won't make the deal. Both are definitely good players though. Backes more physical, Andrei more skill. Depends what you want on your team.
This is an accurate description of this entire thread.

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