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World Junior Hockey should be added to the Olympics

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12-23-2009, 06:50 AM
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No offence and sorry for letting you down, but nobody really gives a **** about WJC in europe where they generally watch ice hockey. For example where as from Finland 1million people watch World Hockey Championship's every may, maybe 2000 people watch WJC.
In Sweden the WJC has become more popular than the World Championsship. But the only reason for that is that Sweden nowadays actually have a WJC team with a shot on the gold.
When we no longer has a chance to kick Canada's ass the interest will probably decrease drasticly.

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12-23-2009, 06:59 AM
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If the NHL stops going to the OG, it certainly makes more sense to turn the OG into an U20 tournament than to go back to the old system where you have players so far down the depth chart that they are irrelevant outside of the OG.

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12-23-2009, 07:02 AM
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No offence and sorry for letting you down, but nobody really gives a **** about WJC in europe where they generally watch ice hockey. For example where as from Finland 1million people watch World Hockey Championship's every may, maybe 2000 people watch WJC.
I think that many people on here donīt seem to understand that the WHC is just as big if not even a bigger tradition in Europe as the WJC in Canada, itīs the time of the year when pretty much everyone over here lives hockey and itīs a great opportunity for the fans of the different teams to meet in a very special friendly atmoshpere that only very few such events can be found. Plus it numerous times it had an important non-hockey role, i.e. Czechoslovakia vs. USSR, Finland vs. Sweden, Czech republic vs. Slovakia.

As for comparing hockey with soccer, with all respect thatīs kinda idiotic. Not only because that soccer is popular all over the world and hockey in like 10 countries at best, but you also have to look at all the great international competitions it offers. While the WC and EC are played only every 4 years, there are qualification games always played inbetween as well as preparation games were most usually all players from all leagues in the world, even the best ones, are released to play. Plus Europeīs also got 2 legit European competitions in Champions League and Euroleague, in which at some point at least one team from all countries is involved. Hockey, on the other hand has none and all tries thus far have failed. Itīs no wonder that fans donīt care that much about whichever players play in the OG in soccer. when they have an opprtunity to see all their best players represent their nation like 10 times each year and about half of it usually is on home soil. For hockey the OG are the bets on best tourney, yeah there was the WC, but come hockey in late August, early September, thatīs just not the right time to pwatch it. And even if the NHL ends particpation in the OG, I see no reason why hockey in the OG couldnīt continue with players from KHL and other European leagues. If anybody over here watches EHT itīs been some quality hockey for the last year or two and with no NHL players. If the North Americans want, they can easily send major junior kids or NCAA kids, thatīs if they want them to get killed by European teams consisting of KHLers, SEL players etc.

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12-23-2009, 07:11 AM
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In Sweden the WJC has become more popular than the World Championsship. But the only reason for that is that Sweden nowadays actually have a WJC team with a shot on the gold.
When we no longer has a chance to kick Canada's ass the interest will probably decrease drasticly.
It's still not as popular as the world championship even if it has grown alot and is quite big.

Back on topic: It's not a good idea.

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12-23-2009, 07:26 AM
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It's still not as popular as the world championship even if it has grown alot and is quite big.

Back on topic: It's not a good idea.
The interest in the WJC over here has grown a bit since last year, because it was televised and the numbers for the quarterfinal/bronze medal games were aroun 300 000-500 000, but itīs still not that much compared to the WHC. WHC is just the sport event of the year over here, itīs all over TV, newspapers etc. and if youīre a night-club owner youīre supposed to 100% have a screen showing the games live. Maybe the popularity of the WHC went down a bit in the past few years, which is understandable considering the results that people just werenīt used to. But if you were in Slovakia during a WHC in the early 00īs you wouldnīt have to watch the game on TV at all, you could hear the roar of "gool" all over teh country even when you were somewhere outside.

Agree 100% with last sentence.

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12-23-2009, 07:45 AM
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It's still not as popular as the world championship even if it has grown alot and is quite big.

Back on topic: It's not a good idea.
Really? Everybody that I know are more excited about WJC than world championsship. And everyone can watch the games cause it's on SVT(a free channel own by the state)

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I fear that the NHL gets out of the Olympics, the IIHF comes up with a contrived tournament like FIFA's for the Olympics, and the value of an Olympic gold medal loses all meaning in future years.
In the event that the NHL does not take part any more, why exactly would the IIHF prevent Elitserien/SM-liiga/Extraliga/KHL players from playing? Does not make a lot of sense.

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12-23-2009, 08:00 AM
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Sure... let's add the Little League World Series to the games too while we're at it

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12-23-2009, 08:02 AM
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Really? Everybody that I know are more excited about WJC than world championsship. And everyone can watch the games cause it's on SVT(a free channel own by the state)
Yeah i like the WJC better due to the fact that it has all the best juniors on the planet. Whereas, the WC doesn't have all the best players from each country because the NHL playoffs are still on.

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If the NHL does decide to not participate in the 2014 games, (which I think would be a horrible mistake), it should go more back to the way it was. Putting an official age limit would only be another huge misstep for the sport.

As I would hope it would be, they'd be able to mix top juniors with veterans playing in Europe and the minor leagues. It'd be a huge thing for scouts, GM's, and fans to see how the top prospects compare. It'll revive a few veterans careers at the very least.

The best players, who are able to participate, should be the ones chosen, age should not be a qualifying, or disqualifying factor.

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12-23-2009, 08:17 AM
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The IIHF should scrap the World Championships and the top level hockey competition could be the Olympics and the World Cup, alternating every two years.
Fat chance of that happening considering how much money it generates to the host country and the IIHF.

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good way to corrupt and ruin the WJC

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The WJC's is basically a Canadian event as it is.

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The WJC's is basically a Canadian event as it is.
Yup. The organizers treat it as a domestic tournament, which is why you don't see many fans from other countries making the trip, like at World Championships and the Olympics. They're focused on making money, not making it popular in other countries. Usually organizers of such events work with fan clubs from member nations to get special group tickets, travel packages,etc. The organizers of the past two junior championships weren't interested in that at all.

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Bad idea. It's like to add bandy to olympics ("free" medals for Russia and Sweden) .

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If the NHL does decide to not participate in the 2014 games, (which I think would be a horrible mistake), it should go more back to the way it was. Putting an official age limit would only be another huge misstep for the sport.

As I would hope it would be, they'd be able to mix top juniors with veterans playing in Europe and the minor leagues. It'd be a huge thing for scouts, GM's, and fans to see how the top prospects compare. It'll revive a few veterans careers at the very least.

The best players, who are able to participate, should be the ones chosen, age should not be a qualifying, or disqualifying factor.
But what happends if Ovechkin, Malikn, Datsyk, etc demands to go to Russia and play the olympics in their homecountry?

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If the NHL stops going to the OG, it certainly makes more sense to turn the OG into an U20 tournament than to go back to the old system where you have players so far down the depth chart that they are irrelevant outside of the OG.
Well, from a Canadian perspective perhaps.
But, why should the world have to be dictated by the NHL?
Alternatives of leagues exist today, and from what I hear, those alternatives will expand in the future.
The NHL is a bit arrogant at this point, and I think it might come back to hurt it.
Not that most Canadians care, as I understand that everybody in Canada would be much happier if all the Euros disappeared out of the league and made it a good ole' Canadian affair again, the it was meant to be.
Perhaps, soon, Canada will finally have its wet dream!

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12-23-2009, 02:23 PM
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Bad idea. It's like to add bandy to olympics ("free" medals for Russia and Sweden) .
If it makes sense from a TV revenue angle, it would happen.
This is why you see all these "American" sports being introduced on the program. Unless the U.S. dominates and win medals, most Americans lose interest, which would mean R.I.P. for the Olympic movement given that ABC, NBC, CBS, etc., aren't going to bid head over heels for something that "average Joe" couldn't care less about. Why do you think that hockey is pretty much off the menu over here?

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Sure... let's add the Little League World Series to the games too while we're at it

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No to the thread title.

Basically i agree with what Tricolore#20 posted.

I can not stand the WJC being mixed with the Olympics on HF boards already (am i the only one?!? ), let alone in reality.

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The NHL, KHL & other Euro leagues need to have a World Cup during September every 3 or 4 years. The leagues can run it themselves, cut out the loser parasite organizations like the IIHF or IOC.

Everyone is happy. You make your own hosting decisions, you have flexibility to spread games out over multiple cities, you don't have to disrupt league seasons in February, or have a joke of a tournament while the NHL is in playoffs in April. Since it happens in September there's no insurance issues either cuz the players are in pre-season anyways and just loaned from their teams. No IOC/IIHF middlemen to take profits, it goes to leagues.

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Would European hockey federations be willing to move the World Championships to June so as to have all their best NHL'ers? It would probably raise more interest in North America too. Or have it in September before the NHL season.

I wouldn't want to see the Olympics become a U-20 tournament. It wouldn't be competitive enough. Look at the WJC's. It's a boring tournament until the semi-finals.

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World Cup/ Canada cup will never be equivalent to the Olympics. Olympics is the place for best vs. best. WHC in spring is good fest with positive impact to the popularity of hockey. WJC where it is now around the New Year. Why change something that works?

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I'd rather see allpros than young pros along with kids. The injury risk on the biggest stars would be too much for the NHL to swallow too.. Kids can be much more immature and go out and injure a star...

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Would European hockey federations be willing to move the World Championships to June so as to have all their best NHL'ers? It would probably raise more interest in North America too.
The NHL would never want to see that happen. Even more injury risks to their biggest stars.

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