HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > International Tournaments
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
International Tournaments Discuss international tournaments such as the World Juniors, Olympic hockey, and Ice Hockey World Championships, as they take place; or discuss past tournaments.

Damian Cox: Canada's constant home-ice advantage is killing WJCs

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-23-2009, 08:46 PM
  #1
Cheli
Registered User
 
Cheli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Toronto/Waterloo
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,698
vCash: 500
Damian Cox: Canada's constant home-ice advantage is killing WJCs

An article in the Toronto Star today...

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey...ing-tournament

Quote:
It's the perfect sports property, really. Canada either wins, or a group of plucky and hard-working Canadian lads are unabashedly portrayed as skating their gosh-golly hearts out for their country but just falling short.

An easy sell either way.

This year marks the first time the world juniors have been played in Canada two straight years. Next year's competition will be in Buffalo, which will likely attract Canadian fans in overwhelming numbers, as did the 2005 event in Grand Forks, N.D., and then it's back to Alberta for the 2012 tournament.

If you're starting to notice a pattern here, you should. The last time the world junior tourney was held in Europe was 2008, and it won't be until 2013 that the event goes overseas again. By then, it will have been in North America which really means the Canadian market for six of the previous eight years.

This is not good, at least not for the event.

While it calls itself the world junior championship, it's slowly morphing into the Junior Canada Cup, an event generally held in Canada and often won by Canada.

If the aim of the world juniors is to be considered a truly global competition, holding the event in one country, and thus giving that country home-ice advantage most of the time, undermines that goal.
I agree that he has some valid points about how Canada kind of hogs the tournament. But at the same time, from the sounds of the Euro posters here (and he admits it himself), the WJCs are not a big deal outside of Canada. There isn't much point throwing it in the middle of nowhere in the hopes of promoting interest and having nobody show up. It'd be interesting to see it on the larger ice more often though.

Still, I'm not sure how much more interest can be drawn for this tournament internationally. I'm interested to hear from the overseas people (as well as North Americans) about this.

Cheli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 08:48 PM
  #2
The Dayvan Cowboy
Registered Genius
 
The Dayvan Cowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,730
vCash: 500
To be fair, wasn't it in Europe for like, five or six years?

I think it should alternate.

1. Europe
2. Canada
3. America

Keep it in that cycle.

The Dayvan Cowboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 08:48 PM
  #3
ThisYearsModel
Registered User
 
ThisYearsModel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Country: United States
Posts: 7,072
vCash: 500
How about playing it in the US somewhere that is not within 10 miles of the Canadian border? The tournament should be in Europe every other year.

ThisYearsModel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 08:50 PM
  #4
NeverGoingToWin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,648
vCash: 500
Why are we trying to keep fans of the tournament away? That makes no sense. I agree that it should be hosted in Europe more but completely disagree with the notion that it is a bad thing that Canadians are willing to drive for hours in order to cheer for our country. It is not our fault that Switzerland decided they no longer wanted to host the tournament either.

NeverGoingToWin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 08:51 PM
  #5
Riddarn
1980-2011
 
Riddarn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Country: Sweden
Posts: 9,156
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheli View Post
the WJCs are not a big deal outside of Canada.
It's pretty hard to get people stay up in the middle of the night to watch hockey. The interest was actually very high the year the WJC was in Sweden and has been ever since, though the ratings when the tournament is in the wrong time zone isn't as good. But I believe something like 10% of the population over here watched the finals last year. In the middle of the night.

Riddarn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 08:55 PM
  #6
William H Bonney
Registered User
 
William H Bonney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sierra Nevada
Country: United States
Posts: 19,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThisYearsModel View Post
How about playing it in the US somewhere that is not within 10 miles of the Canadian border? The tournament should be in Europe every other year.
It's a compromise though. USA Hockey helps it's case by having it close to Canada, as it's guaranteed to have a better attendance numbers. Without it, who knows how often the US would get the tournament?

The US has hosted 4 times previously with their 5th coming up in 2011:

1982 - Minnesota
1989 - Anchorage
1996 - Boston
2005 - Grand Forks/Thief River Falls
2011 - Buffalo

The IIHF wants the tournament to get as much publicity as possible with the most people attending. That happens in Canada, unfortunately for the rest of the teams in the tournament. They can compromise by awarding the US hosting duties as well, but it's going to be close to Canada.

William H Bonney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 08:56 PM
  #7
2525
Leafs Tank Nation
 
2525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,848
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThisYearsModel View Post
How about playing it in the US somewhere that is not within 10 miles of the Canadian border? The tournament should be in Europe every other year.
I guess USA hockey realizes they can make money from Canadians.

2525 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 08:58 PM
  #8
2525
Leafs Tank Nation
 
2525's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,848
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by William H Bonney View Post
It's a compromise though. USA Hockey helps it's case by having it close to Canada, as it's guaranteed to have a better attendance numbers. Without it, who knows how often the US would get the tournament?

The US has hosted 4 times previously with their 5th coming up in 2011:

1982 - Minnesota
1989 - Anchorage
1996 - Boston
2005 - Grand Forks/Thief River Falls
2011 - Buffalo

The IIHF wants the tournament to get as much publicity as possible with the most people attending. That happens in Canada, unfortunately for the rest of the teams in the tournament. They can compromise by awarding the US hosting duties as well, but it's going to be close to Canada.
I wonder how Philly would do with the tournament.

2525 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 08:58 PM
  #9
DDIHH
Registered User
 
DDIHH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,152
vCash: 500
Let's not forget that it was supposed to be held in Switzerland this year.

DDIHH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 09:04 PM
  #10
Sideline
Registered User
 
Sideline's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,253
vCash: 500
Latvia should host...

Sideline is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 09:08 PM
  #11
Turboflex*
 
Turboflex*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,152
vCash: 500
cuz everytime they put it in Europe you have 500 fans showing up to watch some games, whereas in Canada you still have 5000-10000 people showing up to watch Belarus vs. Germany.

Turboflex* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 09:09 PM
  #12
Lunatik*
 
Lunatik*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Lethbridge
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,918
vCash: 500
people ignore the fact they want to make money as well and its simply not profitable outside Canada

Lunatik* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 09:19 PM
  #13
joe89
#5
 
joe89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Country: Sweden
Posts: 17,756
vCash: 500
Perhaps not killing, but certainly not growing. I don't know if any other country except Canada and Sweden really cares about it atm?

joe89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 09:55 PM
  #14
james bond
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 560
vCash: 500
TSN, Hockey Canada have essentially bought this tournament. It is a pure cash cow as it is the Canadian equivalant of a College Bowl game,or Canadas March Madness. Yes it has killed interest in Europe but the IIHF needs to quit sitting on their thumbs and get to work on making the tournament the best it can be in respective European countries.

As for in the US, I am surprised ESPN doesnt take note of Canadas money maker and find an area that they could use to manufacture the same type of atmosphere as in the Canadian markets. Why not try growing the game at the grass roots, build facilities, promote the local hockey (HS or junior) and market it on par with a Bowl game or March Madness. I say it is money left on the table.

The one caveat for Canada is that sometimes that is the only opportunity that u20 players get a chance to play in front of 20 000 fans and to play in the only country that considers hockey its number one sport.

james bond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 10:04 PM
  #15
bruinsfan46
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: London, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,415
vCash: 500
If you're into making money, it just doesn't make any sense to have this tournament far from Canada. Sure it's not helping the interest in Europe but from what I understand there's never been massive amounts of interest in Europe for this tournament and when it has been held in Europe there have been tons of empty seats.

bruinsfan46 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 10:08 PM
  #16
NeverGoingToWin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,648
vCash: 500
Europeans don't even care about under 19 and 20 tournaments in soccer. It sounds like Sweden is willing to give this tournament a chance but the rest for whatever reason will not. I have severe doubts about them ever caring about junior hockey tournaments.

NeverGoingToWin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 10:11 PM
  #17
Siberian
Registered User
 
Siberian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Saint Pierre
Country: France
Posts: 3,555
vCash: 500
This tournament should be played in Canada every year. The attendance it gets in Europe is embarrassing. Playing in Buffalo and North Dakota is also fine. Whoever says it should be played in Europe once in two years is clueless. I actually believe this will grow interest to the tournament simply because when watching TV you see sold out arenas and not empty seats.

Siberian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 10:17 PM
  #18
Snoil11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Germany
Country: Germany
Posts: 3,336
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to Snoil11 Send a message via Yahoo to Snoil11
The only advantage I see from staging it in Europe more often would be, that some people around here might realize, that U-20 hockey isn't popular in most of Europe and therefore it's a real bad idea to bring up the idea of U-20 teams at the Olympics over and over again.

Snoil11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 10:19 PM
  #19
Other Little Mikey
Registered User
 
Other Little Mikey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,846
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turboflex View Post
cuz everytime they put it in Europe you have 500 fans showing up to watch some games, whereas in Canada you still have 5000-10000 people showing up to watch Belarus vs. Germany.
I was at the 08 tournament in the Czech Republic, and I don't feel like it's an exaggeration to say that the gold medal game was at least 75% Canadian fans. That's probably understating it, to be honest. It was also well short of a sellout, in a 10,000 seat arena. Even in Europe it seems like Canadians are the only ones who care about this tournament.

Other Little Mikey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 10:21 PM
  #20
james bond
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 560
vCash: 500
Does anyone from Europe know why u20 sports are not big in the respective countries?

james bond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 10:26 PM
  #21
Zanon
Registered User
 
Zanon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,376
vCash: 500
I really want to see Canada lose.

Zanon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 10:56 PM
  #22
james bond
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 560
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanon View Post
I really want to see Canada lose.
May I ask why? I know I have my reasons.

james bond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 11:02 PM
  #23
Ward Cornell
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,443
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanon View Post
I really want to see Canada lose.
and what does that have to do with the topic?




On topic.....if it wasn't for the Canadian $$$ this tournement may have stopped existing a few years ago!

Ward Cornell is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 11:08 PM
  #24
MoonlightGraham
Registered User
 
MoonlightGraham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,474
vCash: 500
Obviously the tournament generates huge revenues when it's held in Canada or a northern US state, and not so much in Europe. It's a no-brainer to have in Canada more often than anywhere else. I wish it wasn't like that and they could have succesful tournaments every year rotating between Canada, the US and Europe, but apparently it's not the case.

MoonlightGraham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-23-2009, 11:15 PM
  #25
Kessel>Seguin +
Not Even A Big Fan!!
 
Kessel>Seguin +'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Ontario
Country: Cambodia
Posts: 4,757
vCash: 500
Problem is, is when the tourny is in europe no one shows up

Kessel>Seguin + is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:37 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.