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12-24-2009, 02:43 PM
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I usually find the term "untouchable" pointless.

But he was the biggest piece we got back from the Heatley deal.

That alone likely makes him untouchable for the time being.

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12-24-2009, 02:45 PM
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Ottawa has space for Campbell and they need a puck moving defenseman.
No we don't, and no we don't.

As it stands, Ottawa has about a million dollars in cap space left to spend, and Murray has shown in the past that he likes to leave some room for trade deadline pick-ups or injury call-ups. So if Chicago is sending Campbell our way, we're going to send the exact cap-hit back.

We have Kuba, Karlsson, Picard, and Campoli all filling the role of Puck-moving defensemen to some degree, so we aren't exactly desperate for one, especially not 7.1 million dollars desperate.

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12-24-2009, 02:55 PM
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I wouldn't say that you are overrating Michalek here. But in all honestly, I would expect Volchenkov if Seabrook were coming back, he is a premiere physical defenseman, and that isn't an understatement. We're not talking about Mike Komisarek here.

So how would this look to you guys...


Chicago gets:

Milan Michalek
Anton Volchenkov
Alexandre Picard


Ottawa gets:

Brent Seabrook
Kris Versteeg
Cam Barker
Akim Aliu



I don't know exactly how I feel about this year with Picard going to us and Volchenkov's contract expiring. I could him walking if he felt he couldn't get the amount he wanted.


In a perfect world for us Hawks fans, it would work like this...


Chicago gets:

Milan Michalek
Filip Kuba
Alexandre Picard


Ottawa gets:

Patrick Sharp
Brian Campbell
Kyle Beach
Cam Barker
1st round pick (It'll be high, so I'm not sure it has too much value in the trade market if your name isn't Brian Burke)
the bold is waht i would think is fairly close n fair.
but dont you think the deal is a lil too big and might disrupt the chemistry of the team more so than helping it?

personally i dont find too many ways for these two teams to work a deal.
Hawks wanna get Campbell of the books. but i dont think Ottawa would pay the price of Milan, nor the 7 million per.

Possibly if you took Cheechoo you might find a lil more wiggle room.

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12-24-2009, 03:36 PM
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Keith was a stretch, but I would say the only trade would be Kuba and Milan for Sharp and Seabrook.

I'd do Milan for Seabrook straight up or with an added pick, but we'd be too thin on O so a top 6 forward in return would be necessary.
I think you kind of underrate Seabrook. Seabrook is just as good as Keith imo and Joel Quenneville would agree with me.

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12-24-2009, 03:39 PM
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Let's stop this thread now...

Michalek-Spezza-Foligno will be our top line 2 years from now.

All should be untouchable.
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12-24-2009, 05:12 PM
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I wouldn't say that you are overrating Michalek here. But in all honestly, I would expect Volchenkov if Seabrook were coming back, he is a premiere physical defenseman, and that isn't an understatement. We're not talking about Mike Komisarek here.

So how would this look to you guys...


Chicago gets:

Milan Michalek
Anton Volchenkov
Alexandre Picard


Ottawa gets:

Brent Seabrook
Kris Versteeg
Cam Barker
Akim Aliu


I don't know exactly how I feel about this year with Picard going to us and Volchenkov's contract expiring. I could him walking if he felt he couldn't get the amount he wanted.


In a perfect world for us Hawks fans, it would work like this...


Chicago gets:

Milan Michalek
Filip Kuba
Alexandre Picard


Ottawa gets:

Patrick Sharp
Brian Campbell
Kyle Beach
Cam Barker
1st round pick (It'll be high, so I'm not sure it has too much value in the trade market if your name isn't Brian Burke)
Take out Picard and Barker from the first one, switch Versteeg to Sharp.

Michalek and Volchenkov for Seabrook, Sharp, and Aliu.

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12-24-2009, 05:18 PM
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I think you kind of underrate Seabrook. Seabrook is just as good as Keith imo and Joel Quenneville would agree with me.
I wouldn't say as good, but almost as good for sure. I'm not underrating him at all. He's the type of player it would take though. Honestly, I wouldn't do Michalek straight up for Keith, simply because we have 5 very young d-men who have very bright futures in the league, namely Cowen, Wiercioch, Karlsson, Lee, and Picard. Volchenkov is only 27 and is great, Phillips will retire a Sen, and he's only 31 now. Keith is in a different league than any of those players, but lets look at our forwards with top line potential... Spezza, Michalek, Fisher (but hardly)... and that's about it. Seabrook is a top 15 dman in this league, but he is what would be needed. Anyways, Seabrook is more realistic than Keith because a) deserved or not, Keith has a reputation as being the better D-Man and b) Keith got resigned to a 13 year deal like 2 weeks ago.

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12-24-2009, 06:22 PM
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I wouldn't say that you are overrating Michalek here. But in all honestly, I would expect Volchenkov if Seabrook were coming back, he is a premiere physical defenseman, and that isn't an understatement. We're not talking about Mike Komisarek here.

So how would this look to you guys...


Chicago gets:

Milan Michalek
Anton Volchenkov
Alexandre Picard


Ottawa gets:

Brent Seabrook
Kris Versteeg
Cam Barker
Akim Aliu


I don't know exactly how I feel about this year with Picard going to us and Volchenkov's contract expiring. I could him walking if he felt he couldn't get the amount he wanted.


In a perfect world for us Hawks fans, it would work like this...


Chicago gets:

Milan Michalek
Filip Kuba
Alexandre Picard


Ottawa gets:

Patrick Sharp
Brian Campbell
Kyle Beach
Cam Barker
1st round pick (It'll be high, so I'm not sure it has too much value in the trade market if your name isn't Brian Burke)
OMG YES! To either deal. The Sens can make room for those deals.

First deal
Michalek > Versteg
Volchenkov more or less = Seabrook
Barker >> Picard
Aliu > nothing

We downgrade a little on forward, and increase the defense like mad. Some would say that we don't need to with Karlsson, Cowan, Weircloch, etc. but these deals help the Sens compete now AND in the future. If we have to move somebody to make room for the young guys later on, so be it.

Second deal
Sharp more or less = to Michalek
Barker>>Picard
Campbell > Kuba but with a worse contract
Beach+1st = compensation for Campbells contract.

In my view, Sens fans are right that Michalek is great, but the depth that those deal give us are amazing.

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12-24-2009, 06:32 PM
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Michalek stays unless we get on of the big 4... sorry, but true.
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12-24-2009, 06:49 PM
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the bold is waht i would think is fairly close n fair.
but dont you think the deal is a lil too big and might disrupt the chemistry of the team more so than helping it?

personally i dont find too many ways for these two teams to work a deal.
Hawks wanna get Campbell of the books. but i dont think Ottawa would pay the price of Milan, nor the 7 million per.

Possibly if you took Cheechoo you might find a lil more wiggle room.
Not good at all.. Not even remotely.. the trade basically works out as;

Volchenkov for Seabrook --- even
Picard for Barker --- slight edge towards barker
Michalek for Versteeg.. --- not even close

Garbage...

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12-24-2009, 06:56 PM
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Yeah, getting Michalek would take a serious over-payment. Like a Patrick Kane.

And I just said it would take an over-payment. If anyone calls me dumb or anything like that you are crazy

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12-24-2009, 07:47 PM
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you guyz overrate Michalek too much

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12-24-2009, 07:49 PM
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you guyz overrate Michalek too much
No we don't.

When Spezza was playing healthy , Michalek was on pace for 50 goals.
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12-24-2009, 07:53 PM
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Not good at all.. Not even remotely.. the trade basically works out as;

Volchenkov for Seabrook --- even
Picard for Barker --- slight edge towards barker
Michalek for Versteeg.. --- not even close

Garbage...
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1.Volchenkov<<<<<<Seabrook
2.Picard<<Barker
3.Michalek>>>Versteeg

1. Seabrook value is miles ahead of Volchenkov 1st of all he is just as good as Keith or a little worse and has a very high chance of making team Canada, also he is younger and is signed through next year and becomes an RFA but Volchenkov becomes a UFA after this year
2. Barker has more experience in the NHL and is better
3. Michalek is the better player, then Versteeg but some things are he plays more minutes and has a bigger role on his team making him more responsible for the points

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No. None of these.

Michalek is a young 25, is our leading goal-scorer, integral to our penalty kill, our best skater, our best forward in front of the net, a tireless worker, and he's not afraid to get physical at 6'2" 220lbs. And he's signed long-term at a good deal through his prime.

We haven't had a player like this since we lost Hossa. We just dealt the best goalscorer in our short franchise history to get the guy, we're not going to turn around and trade him for Brian ****ing Campbell.

Michalek goes nowhere.

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No we don't.

When Spezza was playing healthy , Michalek was on pace for 50 goals.
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on pace for it doesnt mean much a lot can happen and ovie was on pace for like 80 goals at one point this season you think that was going to happen Henrik Sedin is on pace for 105 points I dont think that will happen and I am a canucks fan also at one point this season Colorado was on peace for being the best team in the regular season, they are now 3rd in the conference and calgary has 3 games in hand

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12-24-2009, 07:58 PM
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Yeah, getting Michalek would take a serious over-payment. Like a Patrick Kane.

And I just said it would take an over-payment. If anyone calls me dumb or anything like that you are crazy
I hope you're joking.

Yes it would take an overpayment, but not a Patrick Kane or Jonathan Toews overpayment.

Simply put, the only player on the Hawks, that is in any way tradeable, that could get Michalek in a Hawks jersey is Seabrook (and I don't think the Sens would ever accept Campbell in a return, his contract is just not worth it). Other than that, I don't really see the two teams being as great trading partners as someone said above.

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What would it take to get him in a Chicago uni?

He makes $4,333,333 for the next 4 or 5 years.


How would this look? *Just taken a stab at it, don't be too harsh*


Chicago gets:

Milan Michalek
Filip Kuba


Ottawa gets:

Brian Campbell
Kris Versteeg


Or, as much as I would hate to do this...


Chicago gets...

Milan Michalek
Filip Kuba
Brian Lee

Ottawa gets:

Brian Campbell
Patrick Sharp
Cam Barker

In that last part take out Cambell(don't want his overpaid contract) and Barker and put in Seabrook and Ladd with Sharp and you have a deal.

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My fellow Sens fans are being delusional. Michalek is a great two way player capable of 30+ goals, possibly a 40 goal scorer in his career, but the packages that are being offered are OVERPAYMENT by Chicago.

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My fellow Sens fans are being delusional. Michalek is a great two way player capable of 30+ goals, possibly a 40 goal scorer in his career, but the packages that are being offered are OVERPAYMENT by Chicago.
the only package I honestly considered was for Seabrooke +, then I lol'd because there is no way we are giving up our best goal scorer and our best defensive player especially not in the same package, unless we are getting a top 20 player in the league

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I hope you're joking.

Yes it would take an overpayment, but not a Patrick Kane or Jonathan Toews overpayment.

Simply put, the only player on the Hawks, that is in any way tradeable, that could get Michalek in a Hawks jersey is Seabrook (and I don't think the Sens would ever accept Campbell in a return, his contract is just not worth it). Other than that, I don't really see the two teams being as great trading partners as someone said above.
It wasnt a serious trade, I was just saying that it would take an over-payment to get him off the Sens. Ok mabye not Patrick Kane but still a pretty big over-payment.

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Michalek and Fisher are our only consistant offensive threat so far this year.

Like it was mentioned before Murray worked his butt off to get Michalek from the Sharks. There is 0 chance he moves him unless its in a package that see's Kane or Toews coming here and lets face it, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that that happens.

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you guyz overrate Michalek too much
Agreed, we are becoming those fans.

He is very valuable and he is an important part of our team that won't likely be traded but lets not pretend he is Evgeni Malkin.

Sens are thin at forward (especially with injuries) so he will not be dealt. That said, I'm not sure how people are that sure he is WAY better than Sharp.

Michalek has become one of my favourite players, but I think he is being overrated here.

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the only package I honestly considered was for Seabrooke +, then I lol'd because there is no way we are giving up our best goal scorer and our best defensive player especially not in the same package, unless we are getting a top 20 player in the league
If you're talking about mine, I totally agree with you, it would be tough to swallow. I was trying to make a fair proposal, but it's definitely possible that I would reject it. I do think that any deal with Chicago around Michalek would resemble that, though.

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more like
1.Volchenkov<<<<<<Seabrook
2.Picard<<Barker
3.Michalek>>>Versteeg


1. Seabrook value is miles ahead of Volchenkov 1st of all he is just as good as Keith or a little worse and has a very high chance of making team Canada, also he is younger and is signed through next year and becomes an RFA but Volchenkov becomes a UFA after this year
2. Barker has more experience in the NHL and is better
3. Michalek is the better player, then Versteeg but some things are he plays more minutes and has a bigger role on his team making him more responsible for the points
this comment right here makes me wanna say, /thread please.

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