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12-17-2009, 03:32 PM
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Top 10 Worst Trades of Decade: Yup, Panthers #1

From PuckDaddy:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl,209570

Yup, the Luongo trade is the worst of the decade. It's pretty funny considering the trade to get Luongo from Isles was ranked the 6th worst. I don't care that PD justifies it not being a top 5 since Parrish scored 30+ goals for the Isles for several years, it's still not worth an elite franchise goalie and should be top 5.

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From PuckDaddy:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl,209570

Yup, the Luongo trade is the worst of the decade. It's pretty funny considering the trade to get Luongo from Isles was ranked the 6th worst. I don't care that PD justifies it not being a top 5 since Parrish scored 30+ goals for the Isles for several years, it's still not worth an elite franchise goalie and should be top 5.
Correction, Mike Keenan = #1.

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Correction, Mike Keenan = #1.
Martin was involved and was an idiot too, though it was almost entirely on Keenan I suppose.

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Martin was involved and was an idiot too, though it was almost entirely on Keenan I suppose.
Martin tried to fix things, had a deal setup with Louie, then Louie's agent called back with more demands...from what came out about the whole thing. At that point, Keenan, Cohen, and Martin decided it was time to move Louie. Keenan then sent him away for that package.

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This was my favorite deal of the decade

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Until Long Dongo wins one piece of hardware and/or strings together consecutive playoff series victories, neither team in this deal can be declared the "winner."

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Until Long Dongo wins one piece of hardware and/or strings together consecutive playoff series victories, neither team in this deal can be declared the "winner."
If that makes you feel better

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If that makes you feel better
2 series wins in three seasons. If anything, I'm consoling Vancouver fans.

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question would trading Loungo AND olli jokinen be considered worse than us just trading luongo?

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I still think some of those NYI trades were worse...

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I still think some of those NYI trades were worse...
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Try being a Leafs fan. He was picked with Toronto's first. That first was traded for Schneider and Clark. Both of them did jack all for the Leafs at that point.

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I dont want to ruin puck daddy's fun, but for a trade to be bad, it has to effect the two teams. Vancouver is no better/ no worse with or without luongo. Before him they were playoff team that couldn't win. They get luongo, and they still can't win in the playoffs. Florida with luongo was a fringe playoff team, they are still a fringe playoff team.

So this deal had no effect on either team. How can that be the worst trade ever. If anything we got better when we traded luongo. The thing I hate about hockey experts, they no/don't know anything.

Florida Panthers Last 3 years with luongo:
05/06=85
03/04=75
02/03=70
Since
06/07=86
07/08=85
08/09=93
AVG Improvement= +11PTS/per season
Vancouver same 3 years without luongo:
05/06=92
03/04=101
02/03=104
Since
06/07=105
07/08=88
08/09=100
AVG Improvement= -2 PTS/per season

I win. Puck Daddy loses. Vancouver has actually gotten worse since acquiring not so sweet lou, while florida has increased nicely.

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We got fleeced on the trade badly. Don't care how either team is doing with or without him. We were burned in that deal...

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I dont want to ruin puck daddy's fun, but for a trade to be bad, it has to effect the two teams. Vancouver is no better/ no worse with or without luongo. Before him they were playoff team that couldn't win. They get luongo, and they still can't win in the playoffs. Florida with luongo was a fringe playoff team, they are still a fringe playoff team.

So this deal had no effect on either team. How can that be the worst trade ever. If anything we got better when we traded luongo. The thing I hate about hockey experts, they no/don't know anything.

Florida Panthers Last 3 years with luongo:
05/06=85
03/04=75
02/03=70
Since
06/07=86
07/08=85
08/09=93
AVG Improvement= +11PTS/per season
Vancouver same 3 years without luongo:
05/06=92
03/04=101
02/03=104
Since
06/07=105
07/08=88
08/09=100
AVG Improvement= -2 PTS/per season

I win. Puck Daddy loses. Vancouver has actually gotten worse since acquiring not so sweet lou, while florida has increased nicely.
The only reason why we've improved is because Martin fixed Keenan's mess making the trade for Vokoun.

I honestly think we would've sneaked into the playoffs that first year without Luongo, if it wasn't for the attrociousness of Alex Auld.

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The only reason why we've improved is because Martin fixed Keenan's mess making the trade for Vokoun.

I honestly think we would've sneaked into the playoffs that first year without Luongo, if it wasn't for the attrociousness of Alex Auld.
Well, he did play well at the start of the season, the team couldn't play in front of him.

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The Pretender is correct! We've gotten better without him and Bert barely played with us. Far from the worst trade.

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any FLA fan who feels they got fair value in this deal is delusional..

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any FLA fan who feels they got fair value in this deal is delusional..
Uhm, whose said we got fair value?

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We didn't get fair value, but this trade is far from the worst as it hasn't effected either team that much...

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I dont want to ruin puck daddy's fun, but for a trade to be bad, it has to effect the two teams. Vancouver is no better/ no worse with or without luongo. Before him they were playoff team that couldn't win. They get luongo, and they still can't win in the playoffs. Florida with luongo was a fringe playoff team, they are still a fringe playoff team.

So this deal had no effect on either team. How can that be the worst trade ever. If anything we got better when we traded luongo. The thing I hate about hockey experts, they no/don't know anything.

Florida Panthers Last 3 years with luongo:
05/06=85
03/04=75
02/03=70
Since
06/07=86
07/08=85
08/09=93
AVG Improvement= +11PTS/per season
Vancouver same 3 years without luongo:
05/06=92
03/04=101
02/03=104
Since
06/07=105
07/08=88
08/09=100
AVG Improvement= -2 PTS/per season

I win. Puck Daddy loses. Vancouver has actually gotten worse since acquiring not so sweet lou, while florida has increased nicely.
This is terrible logic.

Was this trade the only thing that happened to these two teams over the course of those 6 years?

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it's close, but i believe the wooley, barnes trade for chris wells may be the worst trade ever. wooley won a cup with detroit i believe and was effective in buffalo and barnes really helped dallas and i believe won a cup there as well. another bad trade was whitney for i don't know what and hagman for a 5th, not to mention boyle for a 5th. i'm going to stop there because i'm getting depressed!!!!!!

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This is terrible logic.

Was this trade the only thing that happened to these two teams over the course of those 6 years?
And what logic would be correct? If's and buts.... in sports it comes down to wins and losses, and the records speak for themselves. When you trade for a "star" goalie/player, that player is supposed to change the culture of a team. Like when the panthers traded for bure. Team did a 180 and made the playoffs. Vancouver hasn't changed at all....therefore not a "huge/massive bad trade".

I believe this logic is most accurate.

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I dont want to ruin puck daddy's fun, but for a trade to be bad, it has to effect the two teams. Vancouver is no better/ no worse with or without luongo. Before him they were playoff team that couldn't win. They get luongo, and they still can't win in the playoffs. Florida with luongo was a fringe playoff team, they are still a fringe playoff team.

So this deal had no effect on either team. How can that be the worst trade ever. If anything we got better when we traded luongo. The thing I hate about hockey experts, they no/don't know anything.

Florida Panthers Last 3 years with luongo:
05/06=85
03/04=75
02/03=70
Since
06/07=86
07/08=85
08/09=93
AVG Improvement= +11PTS/per season
Vancouver same 3 years without luongo:
05/06=92
03/04=101
02/03=104
Since
06/07=105
07/08=88
08/09=100
AVG Improvement= -2 PTS/per season

I win. Puck Daddy loses. Vancouver has actually gotten worse since acquiring not so sweet lou, while florida has increased nicely.
that is HORRUBLE Logic the Canucks have done worse because The West Coast Express line started to suck after the lockout and got older, and the panther player started to develop, the only reason canucks made the playoffs in 06/07 is because roberto tied the old record for wins with 47 and carried the team into the 2nd round losing to the eventual champs

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Until Long Dongo wins one piece of hardware and/or strings together consecutive playoff series victories, neither team in this deal can be declared the "winner."
If that works for you, just keep believing that....

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