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01-08-2010, 10:41 AM
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The good news is with Plekanec is that his value has dropped in the past 3 games

lets hope he continues his scoreless streak

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The good news is with Plekanec is that his value has dropped in the past 3 games

lets hope he continues his scoreless streak
Trade him while his value is highest.

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23-player roster: The bland/continuity version

I will give it a try for a 23-player roster:

FORWARDS
Cammalleri (6,00 M) - Plekanec (4,75 M) - A.Kostitsyn (3,25 M)
Pouliot (1,00 M) - Gomez (7,357 M) - Gionta (5,00 M)
Bergeron (1,00 M) - Metropolit (1,25 M) - S.Kostitsyn (1,00 M)
White (0,85 M) - Lapierre (0,875 M) - Moen (1,50 M)
Extra: Laraque (1,5 M) + 1 AHLer (0,60 M to 0,85 M)

DEFENSEMEN
Markov (5,75 M) - O'Byrne (0,941 M)
Spacek (3,833 M) - Mara (1,50 M)
Gill (2,25 M) - Gorges (1,10 M)
Extra: Subban (0,875 M) and Bergeron (Playing forward)

GOALIES
Price (3,013 M)
Halak (2,25 M)


PAYROLL
$57,445,141 to $57,695,141
<1M over the current cap

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Follow-up

VARIOUS COMMENTS
- I would resign D'Agostini, but leave him in the minor for a year. See how he turns out. I would think is value is next to nothing at the moment, so that could still be his best option.

- I would resign Pacioretty, but leave him in the minor for at least half a season to regain confidence and some scoring touch.

- If Mara wants more, he is gone, Bergeron plays defense, Pacioretty becomes the 23rd player, and extra money, if any, can be used to sweeten other deals.

- Pouliot, S.Kostistyn, Lapierre on short term contracts (1 to 2 years) so they can get a fair value if they get better.

- Bergeron, Mara on short term contracts (1 to 2 years) as they are temporary solution.

- Metropolit on medium-term contract (3 years): he is worth more on short-term, but may accept less for stability.

- Plekanec on a medium-term contract (3 years) or a front-loaded very long-term contract (13 years).

- In order to keep Hamrlik, you likely have to get ride of 3 players, 2 of which are replaced by minimum salary players. That is, unless you get ride of a 5M or so player (Plekanec, Cammalleri, Gionta, Gomez, Markov).

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05-27-2010, 09:27 AM
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To Atlanta: Halak + Andrei and "Sir Gay" Kostitsyn
To Montreal: Niclas Bergfors + prospect or draft pick
-Pick-up: Malhotra, Armstrong, Frolov, Volchenkov
-Trade Hamrlik for whatever you can get that doesn't kill the cap
-Laraque already bought out, buy out Gill's contract (he's awesome but not in our future plans since he's slower than Jean Beliveau on skates right now)
-Send whomever necessary down to Hamilton
-re-sign Moore

Scott Gomez — $7,357,143
Mike Cammalleri — $6,000,000
* Tomas Plekanec — $5,000,000
Brian Gionta — $5,000,000
* Frolov — $4,000,000
* Armstrong — $3,000,000
* Dominic Moore — $1,500,000
Travis Moen — $1,500,000
* Malhotra — $1,000,000
* Benoit Pouliot — $803,000
* Bergfors — $800,000
* Maxim Lapierre — $750,000
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov — $5,750,000
* Volchenkov — $4,000,000
Jaroslav Spacek — $3,833,333
Josh Gorges — $1,100,000
P.K. Subban — $875,000
Yannick Weber ($237,500) $875,000
* Gill buyout — $750,000
* Laraque buyout — $500,000
GOALTENDERS
* Carey Price — $2,500,000
* Curtis Sanford — $600,000
BUYOUTS
NONE
LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS
NONE
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 22
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $57,493,476
BONUSES $237,500
CAP SPACE $-455,976

You think we can trim that total sufficiently under the cap ? So far about half a mil over but I was generous on a few contracts just in case. Gomez you willing to take a million dollar paycut? 17 games in between goals doesn't cut it for me. I like Malhotra cuz he's affordable adds size down the middle and led the playoffs in faceoff pct. In case anyone noticed we got obliterated in the faceoff circle in the playoffs.

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05-27-2010, 11:04 AM
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Nice to see you guys agree on trading Hamrlik. Now what do you figure we can get in return?
Nothing. And i'm fine with that.

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05-28-2010, 11:49 PM
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The Habs have 8 signed forwards (including Pacioretty, Maxwell and White!) and 7 signed Dmen.

Our signed players are: Gomez, Cammy, Gionta, AK, Moen, Pacioretty, Maxwell, White, Markov, Hamrlik, Spacek, Gill, Gorges, O'Byrne, Subban, for a total of 45.817 M$. We therefore have roughly 12 M$ (with a 1 M$ cushion) for 6 forwards and 2 goalies.



We have a couple RFAs. How much would these players cost to sign? (Not how much you think they're worth)

Plekanec (UFA)
Lapierre (RFA eligible to arbitration)
Sergei (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
Pouliot (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
Pyatt (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
Price (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
Halak (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)

Obviously we will need to trade for a forward. No one will give us anything for Hamrlik unless we give away Halak with him. Maybe we could get something decent.

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05-29-2010, 12:06 AM
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The Habs have 8 signed forwards (including Pacioretty, Maxwell and White!) and 7 signed Dmen.

Our signed players are: Gomez, Cammy, Gionta, AK, Moen, Pacioretty, Maxwell, White, Markov, Hamrlik, Spacek, Gill, Gorges, O'Byrne, Subban, for a total of 45.817 M$. We therefore have roughly 12 M$ (with a 1 M$ cushion) for 6 forwards and 2 goalies.
Well, 4 of our top 5 forwards and pretty much our entire starting defense corps is taken care of. That's a great start at least.

My guesses for the players you listed.


Plekanec (UFA) - 4.5 to 5 million a year.
Lapierre (RFA eligible to arbitration) - 0.8 million
Sergei (RFA, not eligible to arbitration) - 0.5 million
Pouliot (RFA, not eligible to arbitration) - 1 million
Pyatt (RFA, not eligible to arbitration) - 0.8 million
Price (RFA, not eligible to arbitration) - 2 million
Halak (RFA, not eligible to arbitration) - 3.25 million

We can just squeeze everybody under the cap, I think.

Not that all of these guys are returning anyway, though.

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05-29-2010, 03:10 AM
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So funny seeing guys trading Halak just so their line-up fits with the cap.

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05-29-2010, 07:15 AM
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We have a couple RFAs. How much would these players cost to sign? (Not how much you think they're worth)

Plekanec (UFA)
Lapierre (RFA eligible to arbitration)
Sergei (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
Pouliot (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
Pyatt (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
Price (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
Halak (RFA, not eligible to arbitration)
I believe Pouliot and Halak are also eligible for arbitration.

This is what I think they could be signed for, on ONE-year deals. A second year could be added at a higher salary, then a third, etc.

Lapierre $840k
Sergei $600k one-way
Pouliot $900k one-way
Pyatt $600k one-way
Price $1.000M one-way
Halak $3.000M

I also believe we could sign Plekanec to a $4.5M deal for 5-6 years, and Dominic Moore to a $1.5M deal for 3 years. I would let Mara, Metropolit and MAB walk, and sign Darche to a $500k but two-way contract to be our 13th forward. Laraque might have to be bought out, the reports are not clear, but suppose he is.

I would trade Hamrlik and Andrei Kostitsyn for the best return I could get in terms of picks or prospects that will NOT make an immediate impact on the lineup.


7.357 Gomez
5.000 Gionta
1.000 Pouliot

4.500 Plekanec
4.250 Frolov
6.000 Cammalleri

1.500 Moore
1.250 Taylor Pyatt
1.500 Moen

1.500 Belanger
0.840 Lapierre
0.600 Tommy Pyatt

0.500 Darche
0.500 Trotter

5.750 Markov
3.833 Spacek
2.250 Gill
1.100 Gorges
0.942 O'Byrne
0.850 Subban

0.600 Leach

3.000 Halak
1.000 Price

0.500 Laraque Buy-out

Total 55.897
Cap 58.800

Room 2.903

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05-29-2010, 04:08 PM
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I believe Pouliot and Halak are also eligible for arbitration.
Says who? Maybe there's something I don't understand, but reading this, it seems to me that Halak and Pouliot are not eligible... http://www.nhlfa.com/CBA/cba_agreement12.asp

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For future ref....

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/

Phenomenal site for cap numbers for every team and every contract.

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Says who? Maybe there's something I don't understand, but reading this, it seems to me that Halak and Pouliot are not eligible... http://www.nhlfa.com/CBA/cba_agreement12.asp

I really don't get how this happened, but the copy of the CBA that I read at the NHLPA says four years for guys who signed between 18 and 20, and one less year for all others, too.

Having said that, if your version is right, then Pouliot is NOT eligible, but Halak still is, because he has 5 professional years.

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I believe Pouliot and Halak are also eligible for arbitration.

This is what I think they could be signed for, on ONE-year deals. A second year could be added at a higher salary, then a third, etc.

Lapierre $840k
Sergei $600k one-way
Pouliot $900k one-way
Pyatt $600k one-way
Price $1.000M one-way
Halak $3.000M

I also believe we could sign Plekanec to a $4.5M deal for 5-6 years, and Dominic Moore to a $1.5M deal for 3 years. I would let Mara, Metropolit and MAB walk, and sign Darche to a $500k but two-way contract to be our 13th forward. Laraque might have to be bought out, the reports are not clear, but suppose he is.

I would trade Hamrlik and Andrei Kostitsyn for the best return I could get in terms of picks or prospects that will NOT make an immediate impact on the lineup.


7.357 Gomez
5.000 Gionta
1.000 Pouliot

4.500 Plekanec
4.250 Frolov
6.000 Cammalleri

1.500 Moore
1.250 Taylor Pyatt
1.500 Moen

1.500 Belanger
0.840 Lapierre
0.600 Tommy Pyatt

0.500 Darche
0.500 Trotter

5.750 Markov
3.833 Spacek
2.250 Gill
1.100 Gorges
0.942 O'Byrne
0.850 Subban

0.600 Leach

3.000 Halak
1.000 Price

0.500 Laraque Buy-out

Total 55.897
Cap 58.800

Room 2.903
I like the the UFA's added. good choice.

And if they are not available then there are a couple of other guys like Armstrong that would be good additions.

In regards to Price though I don't think he will be that economical, or at least there will be big bonuses.

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In regards to Price though I don't think he will be that economical, or at least there will be big bonuses.
No performance bonuses are allowed for Price this coming contract.

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I heard qualifying offer to price is under 1 million.

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No performance bonuses are allowed for Price this coming contract.
Exactly - if the club does something bizarre or their hand is forced, Price will get signed to just about what his cap hit is this year or 600-750k more. He won't get more than 3million and will get signed to a contract probably similar to when we signed Akost and it expires one year before he's UFA, so he'll be in a similar situation as Halak when his contract expires - arbitration eligible if the situation calls for it. The ONLY thing that could change any of this regarding to Price's worth is that ridiculous Kari Lehtonen contract - I've always hated Joe Nieuwendyk

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I believe Pouliot and Halak are also eligible for arbitration.

This is what I think they could be signed for, on ONE-year deals. A second year could be added at a higher salary, then a third, etc.
Why do people persist to sign Halak to a one year deal? By doing so, you are kissing him good bye once he's a ufa.

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Pyatt $600k one-way
He was being paid 850K last year.


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Price $1.000M one-way
I doubt it'll be that low.

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Halak $3.000M
Like I said, he wants a long term deal and probably more money. If we manage to squeeze a 1 year / 3 Million dollar deal , he'll give us the finger summer of 2011 and we'll get nothing in return. Better to move him to a team that will give him his contract while we can benefit from a return.


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I would trade Hamrlik and Andrei Kostitsyn for the best return I could get in terms of picks or prospects that will NOT make an immediate impact on the lineup.
I don't think that Guathier will find a taker for Hamrlik, especially if that is for a pick or prospect.

With all this said, the scenario that you propose is unrealistic.

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pouliot-gomez-gionta
cam-plekanec-ak
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white-pyatt-darche

markov-subban
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halak/price

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markov-subban
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halak/price
So this year's team + Ryan White? Creative.

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2010-11 MONTREAL CANADIENS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / * Tomas Plekanec ($4.500m) / * Alexander Frolov ($4.750m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
* Sergei Kostitsyn ($0.600m) / * Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / * Maxim Lapierre ($1.100m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Ryan White ($0.850m) / * Tom Pyatt ($0.850m)
* Mathieu Darche ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Ryan O'Byrne ($0.942m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Josh Gorges ($1.100m)
* UFA ($1.000m)

GOALTENDERS
* Jaroslav Halak ($3.200m) / * UFA2 ($1.700m) (I included Laraque's buyout)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(no bonus cushion is used in these calculations)
ROSTER SIZE: 22; PAYROLL: $58.507m; CAP ROOM: $0.293m

Trade Pouliot and Price for long term assets. Trade Hamrlik for a draft pick, prospect for Hamilton or cheap depth Dman.

Thank you 2 mil cap increase lol.


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So this year's team + Ryan White? Creative.
I don't expect to much from gauthier...he has gainey like advisor

little more creative....

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cam-stoll-setoguchi
moen-moore armtrong
lapierre-pyatt-white

markov-subban
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price/biron

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I don't expect to much from gauthier...he has gainey like advisor

little more creative....

pouliot-gomez-gionta
cam-stoll-setoguchi
moen-moore armtrong
lapierre-pyatt-white

markov-subban
hamrlik-spacek
gill-gorges
emelin

price/biron
Getting Setoguchi Via RFA market .. i doubt that .

I'd resign Plek ( something like 4-5 years at 4.5 .. lets cross fingers ) and Add Colby Armstrong.

Trade Hamrlik for a 4th and thats it

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We really need more firepower. I don't mind if it's a steaky forward that go hot for stretches only (ala Petr Sykora, Michael Ryder, Andrei Kostitsyn, Alex Kovalev) because I'm confident Gionta, Cammalleri, Gomez and Plekanec will continue to produce points with constancy.

I'd like that forward to be big. Frolov at 6'2 and 205 lbs isn't a bad choice, it seems. He fits the critera. He could be our Havlat/Hossa. He's a 25 goals, 60 points getter with bigger upside (35 goals, 85 points on a good season!)

Yo, let's just think about it for a second.

Kostitsyn - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Frolov
Pouliot - (Moore/Madden/Bιlanger - the cheaper goes here) - Lapierre

And let the kids fight for the remaining spot: White, Pyatt, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Trotter, Maxwell or maybe Mathieu Darche. We need mixed up size, grit and second-hand scoring there. So preferably, we let Pacioretty, Desharnais and Pulushaj have another good season in the AHL, and have Pyatt, White and the better of Trotter/Maxwell playing center.

We'd have SIX regulars 20 goals scorer playing on our top six, and a seriously good third line in both zone. Plus, who says Pouliot won't become that powerforward we have been waiting for? And when injuries strikes, I'm sure the young in Hamilton can step in for a few games ala Matt D'Agostini...

Markov - Subban
(insert Czech here) - O'Byrne
Gorges - Gill
Emelin

Honestly I'm comfortable and even EXCITED to see us landing that kind of lineup next season!

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Having said that, if your version is right, then Pouliot is NOT eligible, but Halak still is, because he has 5 professional years.
According to the link (http://www.nhlfa.com/CBA/cba_agreement12.asp), one year of "professional experience" means playing 10 or more games in the NHL in a season, in which case Halak has 3 seasons of professional experience and therefore is not eligible to arbitration.

Maybe we should double check somewhere else, like on the NHLPA's site. I'm too lazy to do that right now though.

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