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12-26-2009, 10:12 AM
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The Goalie Effect V3.0

I've been posting this on another board for a few years, and I thought I'd post it here as well because there are still a lot of people here in denial about Toskala and the Leafs goaltending in general.


Overall: Games played by each goaltender broken down into SV% ranges. Overall SV% is also provided.
Team Record: Team record with each goaltender -- broken down into SV% ranges.
Shots Faced: Number shots faced by a goaltender in each game played, along with SV%.
Penalty Kill: Team success rate with each goaltender on the PK and the SV% of each goalie on the PK.




09/10 Season:

Overall:

Toskala (18 gms)
.879 & Under: 10 Games (55.6%)
.880-889: 1 Games (5.6%)
.890-.899: 1 Games (5.6%)
.900-.909: 0 Games (0.0%)
.910-.919: 4 Games (22.2%)
.920-.929: 0 Games (0.0%)
.930 & Above: 2 Games (11.1%)

Overall SV%: .869

Gustavsson (20 gms)
.879 & Under: 5 Games (25.0%)
.880-889: 2 Games (10.0%)
.890-.899: 2 Games (10.0%)
.900-.909: 4 Games (20.0%)
.910-.919: 0 Games (0.0%)
.920-.929: 1 Games (5.0%)
.930 & Above: 6 Games (30.0%)

Overall SV%: .906

MacDonald (6 gms)
.879 & Under: 3 Games (50.0%)
.880-889: 0 Games (0.0%)
.890-.899: 0 Games (0.0%)
.900-.909: 0 Games (0.0%)
.910-.919: 2 Games (33.3%)
.920-.929: 0 Games (0.0%)
.930 & Above: 1 Games (16.7%)

Overall SV%: .892

Team Overall (38 gms)
.879 & Under: 15 Games (39.5%)
.880-889: 2 Games (5.3%)
.890-.899: 3 Games (7.9%)
.900-.909: 4 Games (10.5%)
.910-.919: 6 Games (15.8%)
.920-.929: 1 Games (2.6%)
.930 & Above: 7 Games (18.4%)

Overall SV%: .886


Team Record:

Toskala (14 gms)
.879 & Under: 0-6-1 (12 point pace)
.880-.889: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)
.890-.899: 0-0-1 (82 point pace)
.900-.909: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)
.910-.919: 3-1-0 (123 point pace)
.920-.929: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)
.930 & Above: 2-0-0 (164 point pace)

Overall: 5-7-2 (70 point pace)

Gustavsson (19 gms)
.879 & Under: 1-3-1 (49 point pace)
.880-.889: 0-0-2 (82 point pace)
.890-.899: 1-0-1 (123 point pace)
.900-.909: 1-2-1 (62 point pace)
.910-.919: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)
.920-.929: 0-1-0 (0 point pace)
.930 & Above: 4-0-1 (148 point pace)

Overall: 7-6-6 (86 point pace)

MacDonald (5 gms)
.879 & Under: 0-3-0 (0 point pace)
.880-.889: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)
.890-.899: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)
.900-.909: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)
.910-.919: 1-1-0 (82 point pace)
.920-.929: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)
.930 & Above: 0-0-0 (0 point pace)

Overall: 1-4-0 (33 point pace)

Team Overall (38 gms)
.879 & Under: 1-12-2 (22 point pace)
.880-.889: 0-0-2 (82 point pace)
.890-.899: 1-0-2 (109 point pace)
.900-.909: 1-2-1 (62 point pace)
.910-.919: 4-2-0 (109 point pace)
.920-.929: 0-1-0 (0 point pace)
.930 & Above: 6-0-1 (152 point pace)

Overall: 13-17-8 (73 point pace)


Shots Faced:

Toskala (18 gms)
Under 20: 5 gms (.750 SV%)
20-29: 4 gms (.871 SV%)
30-39: 8 gms (.894 SV%)
Over 40: 0 gms (.000 SV%)


Gustavsson (20 gms)
Under 20: 5 gms (.855 SV%)
20-29: 5 gms (.924 SV%)
30-39: 8 gms (.911 SV%)
Over 40: 1 gms (.889 SV%)


MacDonald (6 gms)
Under 20: 1 gms (1.000 SV%)
20-29: 4 gms (.864 SV%)
30-39: 1 gms (.917 SV%)
Over 40: 0 gms (.000 SV%)



Penalty Kill:

Success Rate:
Toskala (18 gms): 38/58 (65.5%)
Gustavsson (20 gms): 45/55 (81.8%)
MacDonald (6 gms): 16/24 (66.7%)


SV%:
Toskala (18 gms): 68/88 (.773 SV%)
Gustavsson (20 gms): 78/88 (.886 SV%)
MacDonald (6 gms): 23/31 (.742 SV%)


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12-26-2009, 10:29 AM
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Leafs D is terrible overall and while Gustavsson is a slight upgrade overall Toskala, neither seem to be capable of "stealing" a win and sadly the Leafs need that to compete with the best at the moment.

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Gustavsson (20 gms)
Below 879: 5 Games (25.0%)
Above .930: 6 Games (30.0%)
These stats show Gustavsson is really good, but inconsistent. He's still young, and will only get better.

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Neither one of them will lead the team to success. Luckily FA goalies are easier to come by than 1st line players.

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Leafs D is terrible overall .
It's not terrible, it's about average. They're about middle of the pack in terms of shots allowed. They started slow, but have come on strong as of late.

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and while Gustavsson is a slight upgrade overall Toskala, neither seem to be capable of "stealing" a win.
Gus is a huge upgrade on Toskala. The sadest thing is, every goalie in the NHL and many in the AHL would be a pretty big upgrade on Toskala.

The Leafs don't need their goalie to 'steal' games. They just need him to be solid. When Gus has started, the Leafs are 7-5-6, which is a playoff pace.


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and sadly the Leafs need that to compete with the best at the moment.
The Leafs are competing when they don't recieve the ECHL-level goaltending from Toskala.

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It always does seem like Toskala plays better when there's more shots against. Or maybe it's just the nights that our defense plays well and doesn't allow quality chances that the other team takes more shots from bad spots.

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It always does seem like Toskala plays better when there's more shots against. Or maybe it's just the nights that our defense plays well and doesn't allow quality chances that the other team takes more shots from bad spots.
The problem with Toskala is you never know. And not knowing erodes the team's confidence.

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The problem with Toskala is you never know. And not knowing erodes the team's confidence.
It just seems like he can't concentrate unless he's in the heat of the moment. He'll make some great saves when shots are coming in by the second, but the minute we control the play in their zone and score, he's bound to let one in within 30 seconds.

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Below 879: 10 Games (55.6%)
.880-889: 1 Games (5.6%)
This is where you lost me. In which category do you suppose you could put a game when the goalie had .879 save percentage? It's certainly not below .879 and nor .880.

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Leafs D is terrible overall and while Gustavsson is a slight upgrade overall Toskala, neither seem to be capable of "stealing" a win and sadly the Leafs need that to compete with the best at the moment.
I'm certainly a bit baffled at this comment, since both of the goalies have actually stolen a few games for the Leafs.

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The Leafs don't need their goalie to 'steal' games.
Oh they certainly do. The defense has at times been so abysmal if both Toskala and Gustavsson had not stolen games Leafs would be in even a bigger mess. Good teams don't need their goalies to steal games since they don't need stealing. They're just better than the opponent. Leafs are not.

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The Leafs are competing when they don't recieve the ECHL-level goaltending from Toskala.
I'd rephrase this sentence to: 'The Leafs are competing when they recieve top level goaltending and get a few lucky bounces'.

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It's not terrible, it's about average. They're about middle of the pack in terms of shots allowed. They started slow, but have come on strong as of late.
You can't see anything by just looking at the stats. Shots allowed and scoring chances are different things. That's why Leafs have a lot of shots for but nearly not as much goals as some other teams with that many shots would.

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Toskala is 3.8 and like .870 in front of an OK defense... Remember, many goals Toskala has allowed have been unscreened long shots, with a few at bad angles... the guy can't even save a diagonal shoot-in... the 'defense is horrible' argument can't be applied to a significant extent when we talk about this guy... Remember, even a guy like Joey MacDonald achieved a 3.37 and a .901 on a horrible NYI team last year.... Toskala is just not an NHL level goalie, he can't make the important saves needed to lead a team into any sort of competitive position at this level..the NHL.. I doubt this guy even gets offered anything here..goes back to Finland... If we had had the consistent goaltending of Gustavsson's numbers which are like 2.85 and a .906 we would have had let in 1 less goal in for each game Toskala had been in net... those are 18 less goals allowed over the season, most at key times... I can only remember a few saves Toskala has made over the season, and even then..only to let a weak one in on the next play... -18 goals... That would put us at a respectable team plus/minus and would have certainly allowed us to contest for more points.... We do not have NHL level goaltending, that is apparent.. While that doesn't justify our dubious coaching, and flaw-ridden individual defense, it certainly contributes to a huge extent...

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Oh they certainly do. The defense has at times been so abysmal if both Toskala and Gustavsson had not stolen games Leafs would be in even a bigger mess. Good teams don't need their goalies to steal games since they don't need stealing. They're just better than the opponent. Leafs are not..
They obviously don't.

They're winning at a playoff-calibre clip with Gustavsson starting so far - and Gustavsson has been just "ok", not "great". Not "stealing" those games for the most part.

With decent, average goaltending, the Leafs are a playoff-calibre team, as these stats clearly show (and have shown the past few years).

The truth of the matter is, we've seen goalies "STEAL" many, many more games AGAINST us than our goalies have "STOLEN" for us.

Good goalies steal games all the time - the Leafs' goalies have stolen fewer games than any other team's goalies in the league..

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This is where you lost me. In which category do you suppose you could put a game when the goalie had .879 save percentage? It's certainly not below .879 and nor .880..
It was a little confusing so I changed it to '879 & Under'



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Oh they certainly do. The defense has at times been so abysmal if both Toskala and Gustavsson had not stolen games Leafs would be in even a bigger mess. Good teams don't need their goalies to steal games since they don't need stealing. They're just better than the opponent. Leafs are not...
The Leafs are 7-5-6 when Gus starts. That's a playoff pace with Gus' current form.

Most good teams receive good-great goaltending. That's a big component of what makes them good. And these teams have goalies who 'steal' A LOT more games than the Leafs goalies do.


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I'd rephrase this sentence to: 'The Leafs are competing when they recieve top level goaltending and get a few lucky bounces'..
The Leafs are competing when they don't get ECHL goaltending from Toskala and get just average NHL goaltending from Gus.


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You can't see anything by just looking at the stats. Shots allowed and scoring chances are different things. That's why Leafs have a lot of shots for but nearly not as much goals as some other teams with that many shots would.
Those who use stats are far more right than those who dont. And the stats clearly show that when Gus is in goal, the Leafs are a playoff team. When Toskala is in goal, they are one of the worst teams in the league.

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You are all forgetting how awful this team was in the start of the season, when Toskala happened to be playing most of the games. It was like three goals a period, didn't matter if there was Toskala or Gustavsson in net at the time. After they got their team together at the end of October yes they have been much better but still only going at around .500, and that's simply not enough after the start that they have had. The goalies are not any different from the start of the season, they're still too average for the Leafs to make the playoffs with their current defensive play.

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You are all forgetting how awful this team was in the start of the season, when Toskala happened to be playing most of the games. It was like three goals a period, didn't matter if there was Toskala or Gustavsson in net at the time. After they got their team together at the end of October yes they have been much better but still only going at around .500, and that's simply not enough after the start that they have had. The goalies are not any different from the start of the season, they're still too average for the Leafs to make the playoffs with their current defensive play.
In October:

With Gustavsson Starting: 1-1-2 (82 pt pace)
With Toskala Starting: 0-3-2 (33 pt pace)
With MacDonald Starting: 0-3-0 (0 pt pace)

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Could someone put up our goalies' stats excluding October?

The whole team was absolutely horrific that month, so I figure it should be stricken from the record.

I wonder how their stats match up after that point.

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Could someone put up our goalies' stats excluding October?

The whole team was absolutely horrific that month, so I figure it should be stricken from the record.

I wonder how their stats match up after that point.
Excluding October:

Gustavsson: 6-4-4, 911 SV%
MacDonald: 1-1-0, 909 SV%
Toskala: 5-5-0, 883 SV%

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In October:

With Gustavsson Starting: 1-1-2 (82 pt pace)
With Toskala Starting: 0-3-2 (33 pt pace)
With MacDonald Starting: 0-3-0 (0 pt pace)
First of all, Gustavsson was 1-2-2 in October. Second, he played the games that he got points from, you guessed it, at the end of October, which I said in my earlier post was the time Leafs had already been getting better. And in said games, he never once did post save percentage of .900 or better.

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Those who use stats are far more right than those who dont. And the stats clearly show that when Gus is in goal, the Leafs are a playoff team. When Toskala is in goal, they are one of the worst teams in the league.
Stats can be manipulated any way you want them to go. Who says those who use stats are far more right than those who don't? The statistics?

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First of all, Gustavsson was 1-2-2 in October. .
No. In STARTS, as I clearly mentioned, he was 1-1-2.

He took a bogus loss in relief of Toskala when he came in down 3-0 to Washington.

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Second, he played the games that he got points from, you guessed it, at the end of October, which I said in my earlier post was the time Leafs had already been getting better. And in said games, he never once did post save percentage of .900 or better.
I don't understand what your point is really.

The numbers clearly show that the Leafs are a much better team with Gus in goal, regardless of which games you count or don't count.

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nice post. interesting stuff.

i know, like mentioned, the team was starting to get better when gustavsson started to play more...but still, you can't deny the goaltending was just flat out better as well, which probably made the team better & more confident.

whether you want to say the team had no confidence in the goalie or the goalie had no confidence in the team makes no difference...because the fact is, we are a better team when gustavsson is in net. the reason is irrelevant.

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Stats can be manipulated any way you want them to go. Who says those who use stats are far more right than those who don't? The statistics?
If you don't believe in stats, then sports aren't for you.

Stats tell us who the good players are, who the bad players are. They also largely determine how much these athletes are paid.

Stats take away the biases that come from opinions.

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If you don't believe in stats, then sports aren't for you.

Stats tell us who the good players are, who the bad players are. They also largely determine how much these athletes are paid.

Stats take away the biases that come from opinions.
The only way I can reply to this idiotic post is...


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The only way I can reply to this idiotic post is...


You should send this post to Burke, who has talked about the importance of stats like SV% in his evaulation process numerous times. It was one of the key reasons he went so hard after Gus. And Burke didn't draft Kadri and trade for Kessel because they're big and they look pretty. He acquired these players because they put up very good offensive numbers.

But I guess Burke's an idiot too.

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I don't understand what your point is really.

The numbers clearly show that the Leafs are a much better team with Gus in goal, regardless of which games you count or don't count.
Of course the Leafs are a better team with Gustavsson in goal. No argument there. He's been playing better than Toskala this season. The fact is that the difference in reality isn't as drastic as you would like to think. If it had been Gustavsson in goal more often that not in the start of the season, the rookie and Toskala would have pretty similar stats at this point.

The defense has been a key contributor in the season the Leafs have been having. The issue can't be fixed simply by changing the goaltending. Relying on Finger, Exelby, Schenn, Beauchemin and Komisarek to play defense has gotten Leafs in to the mess they are having, not goaltending.

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If you don't believe in stats, then sports aren't for you.

Stats tell us who the good players are, who the bad players are. They also largely determine how much these athletes are paid.

Stats take away the biases that come from opinions.
If I don't believe in stats, then sports aren't for me? What on Earth have you been eating?

If you try to analyze players, especially goalies whose stats are very highly influenced by the way their team is playing by just 20 odd games then you should should go look at the stock market rather than sports, because short term statistics only make difference to bad GMs and bad coaches. If you could tell how a player was playing by his stats, no team would ever hire scouts, since they could just tell who to draft simply by looking at his stats.

Burke didn't go after Gustavsson because he had a good SV%. He might have first noticed him for his stats, but after that it's about sending scouts to look at him. How he plays, analyze if he could do well in the NHL and so on. Drafting Kadri isn't about offensive numbers. It's about his offensive skill. And so on.

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Of course the Leafs are a better team with Gustavsson in goal. No argument there. He's been playing better than Toskala this season. The fact is that the difference in reality isn't as drastic as you would like to think. If it had been Gustavsson in goal more often that not in the start of the season, the rookie and Toskala would have pretty similar stats at this point...
The difference is dramatic.

You just can't keep using the Leafs early season struggles as an excuse. As I already showed, if you EXCLUDE all of October, Gus still has a much better w/l record, GAA and SV%. And these stats are much more telling than your opinion.

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The defense has been a key contributor in the season the Leafs have been having. The issue can't be fixed simply by changing the goaltending. Relying on Finger, Exelby, Schenn, Beauchemin and Komisarek to play defense has gotten Leafs in to the mess they are having, not goaltending..
Toskala has performed like the worst goaltender in the entire NHL. Many of the Leafs problems are largely to do this, whether you want to believe it or not.




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If I don't believe in stats, then sports aren't for me? What on Earth have you been eating?

If you try to analyze players, especially goalies whose stats are very highly influenced by the way their team is playing by just 20 odd games then you should should go look at the stock market rather than sports, because short term statistics only make difference to bad GMs and bad coaches. If you could tell how a player was playing by his stats, no team would ever hire scouts, since they could just tell who to draft simply by looking at his stats.
Stats + Observations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Stats + Observations


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Burke didn't go after Gustavsson because he had a good SV%. He might have first noticed him for his stats, but after that it's about sending scouts to look at him. How he plays, analyze if he could do well in the NHL and so on. Drafting Kadri isn't about offensive numbers. It's about his offensive skill. And so on.
After signing Gus, Burke talked about just how great Gus' SV% was. I didn't say it. Burke said it.

As for Kadri, you can can have all the offensive skills in the world, but if doesn't translate into numbers, it doesn't matter.

Scouting is important, but so is the use of stats.

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Those who use stats are far more right than those who dont. And the stats clearly show that when Gus is in goal, the Leafs are a playoff team. When Toskala is in goal, they are one of the worst teams in the league.
Thats a pretty bold statement, how many playoff teams has Gustavsson won against?

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