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12-27-2009, 12:39 PM
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4 Suggestions for the Rangers in the new decade

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1 Stick with the kids. With a couple of notable exceptions (Vinny Prospal, Chris Drury), the Rangers' key players are all under 28. That's something to be proud of, even if the results haven't been there yet. Don't stray from that plan.
Yes. Stick with the kids. Stay the course.

Arthur Staple must not view Michal Rozsival and Wade Redden as key players

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2 Stick with Torts. John Tortorella inspires some real vitriol among Rangers fans who have endured some lousy coaches. Frankly, he's been able to implement only three-quarters of his style because he's stuck with a few of Glen Sather's less desirable signings. If his input grows this offseason, the team's success will, too.
Yes. Stick with Torts. Stay the course.

I love it when he yells at them and $8 million athletes whine about it to the media.

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3 Make the tough call on Wade Redden. It's not tough for anyone except Sather, who has to decide whether to hand Redden $15.3 million to walk away after the season - and then stare at a $1.9-million salary-cap hit until 2018 (!!). But it has to be done to make room for players Tortorella wants on his squad.
2018? Waive him and assign him to the AHL. If Redden refuses to report,terminate the contract. If he reports,the hit is off the cap. Don't buy him out. Waive and assign him to the AHL again at the start of next season. If he doesn't report,terminate the contract. If Redden suffers a long term injury in training camp,place him on LTIR. Even placing him on re-entry waivers and having another team claim him with the other team assigning him to the AHL in the future gets the Rangers off the hook.

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4 Don't go crazy in free agency. Even when the Rangers get it right - Marian Gaborik and Vinny Prospal were two of the best signings of last summer - there still are a couple that don't pan out (Ales Kotalik, Donald Brashear). If Sather can rein himself in, the Rangers stand a better chance of being better.
The Rangers can't go crazy when they don't have the cap space. The cap is not going to increase like it previously did from $39 million to $44 million to $50.3 million to $56.7 million. That $6.4 million bump got us Redden

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12-27-2009, 01:05 PM
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I'd have to say these are the smartest things to do.

However, we need a sign of courage here from Sather and it ain't gonna come.

No matter how good Redden is playing, that $6.5 million can be spent on better players. Assign him to the AHL. Get some balls. Who cares. That's money that could be spent to make this team better. Waive Voros/Christensen. More money. Acquire a physical defenseman in place of Wade, use the rest of the money for the trade deadline and/or package together something nice (remember, proven players over unproven players any day), and make the team better. But YOUNGER. Do not go OLDER.

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12-27-2009, 08:49 PM
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I would not assign him to the AHL unless and until we can see that someone better can be signed.

What's the point right now in sending Redden to the minors? He can still contribute as a solid NHL vet in the NHL. If he were getting paid $2, everyone would love him right now.

Well, fact is, it's not our money. Who cares?

The only problem is the cap, but that won't matter until it actually matters. It is only when we can acquire a better player that Slats should make the decision to send Redden down.

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Well, fact is, it's not our money. Who cares?
It sort of is. Every time we buy a ticket or a jersey or even flip on a game, we're paying the Rangers to do so. We have every right to demand a high performing team. The Rangers make much more than the salary cap and could totally afford to bury Redden.

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It sort of is. Every time we buy a ticket or a jersey or even flip on a game, we're paying the Rangers to do so. We have every right to demand a high performing team. The Rangers make much more than the salary cap and could totally afford to bury Redden.
Amen to that!

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What's the point right now in sending Redden to the minors? He can still contribute as a solid NHL vet in the NHL. If he were getting paid $2, everyone would love him right now.

no one would love redden if he was getting paid 2mil, you just wouldn't hear a single "he's overpaid" statement. he'd still suck and would be getting the same exact amount of guff. and i wouldn't venture as far as to call him a "solid" vet. sure, he's a vet..but that's about as far as it goes. the point of getting him out of here is maybe we could bring in a rookie who, i don't know, remembers what he's doing on a professional hockey team and shows up for a full game? it's a long shot with this organization, but ya never know.

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Bury him in the AHL like the Caps did to Michael Nylander.

Do not buy him out, who knows what the cap is going to be in a few years... the Fishsticks are still paying Yashin after all -- we don't want a phantom 2mil because of Redden for the next decade.

Sather needs to suck it up and admit he made a mistake. Look how many mistakes Isaiah Thomas made before he was axed, Sather isn't going to go anywhere even if he buries Reds. He'll just get a nice stern talking to from Dolan and maybe Dolan will punish Sather by taking away his cigars.

I pray to god for an amnesty buyout. But who to use it on? Drury? Redden? :/

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Bury him in the AHL like the Caps did to Michael Nylander.

Do not buy him out, who knows what the cap is going to be in a few years... the Fishsticks are still paying Yashin after all -- we don't want a phantom 2mil because of Redden for the next decade.

Sather needs to suck it up and admit he made a mistake. Look how many mistakes Isaiah Thomas made before he was axed, Sather isn't going to go anywhere even if he buries Reds. He'll just get a nice stern talking to from Dolan and maybe Dolan will punish Sather by taking away his cigars.

I pray to god for an amnesty buyout. But who to use it on? Drury? Redden? :/
If it ever came down to that it'd have to be Redden really just due to the length of that contract.

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I really don't think Redden sucks but he's nowhere near the player he needs to be to be getting the money he's getting--so the reason for dumping him is tactical--to find a player worthy of that kind of money which will make us a better team. Right now we're looking at a guy who wants to play it safe--a 5-6 guy (instead of a Number 1 d-man--what he's being paid to be) who is going to take a big chunk of cap space for 4 more years after this one--that's just not tolerable. What he'll be like at the end of his contract is another question. Better to cut bait right now--or at the end of the season.

In the future--better to look to give big long term contracts to younger UFA's such as Gaborik than older ones such as Drury, Redden--unless they're really big time players like Jagr. Older ones like Prospal who will give us a deal are fine.

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I really don't think Redden sucks but he's nowhere near the player he needs to be to be getting the money he's getting--so the reason for dumping him is tactical--to find a player worthy of that kind of money which will make us a better team. Right now we're looking at a guy who wants to play it safe--a 5-6 guy (instead of a Number 1 d-man--what he's being paid to be) who is going to take a big chunk of cap space for 4 more years after this one--that's just not tolerable. What he'll be like at the end of his contract is another question. Better to cut bait right now--or at the end of the season.

In the future--better to look to give big long term contracts to younger UFA's such as Gaborik than older ones such as Drury, Redden--unless they're really big time players like Jagr. Older ones like Prospal who will give us a deal are fine.
Oh it would certainly be a tactical move. Redden isn't awful as a player but he is awful for his contract. Is that his fault Sather gave him the money? No, and yes. No because obviously Sather was a moron. Yes in the sense: Redden should've known he would be expected to step up for that salary. He hasn't done that.

The problem with contracts are, older vets want long term contracts and clubs don't; younger players want shorter contracts or a crapload of $$/long term. Redden probably would not have signed here if given a 2-3 year contract.

Sather is like a rich grandpa. A guy with so much money relative to the amount he's allocating to salary, Sather just throws around millions like they're nothing -- always overestimating value because money means nothing to him. This is why NYR has struggled to adapt to the salary cap -- Sather is still unlearning his old NHL habits. If you've ever had a rich grandparent, they just throw money around and smile.

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2 words for you,

amnesty buyout

God let it be true--Redden needs to go as bad as Drury has been this year I for one can live with him as a 3rd-4th line center.Both contracts are killers but Redden just plays like hes scaried to make a mistake out there with the puck and lately is getting beat all over the ice.

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Wheres the fire Sather in the next decade?

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Meh, I don't think Redden will ever be bought out or waived. Sather loves 3 things: Cigars, reclamation projects, and being vindicated.

Everytime he buys low on a guy and that player excels (See: Jagr, Jaromir, and Gaborik, Marian) his "star power" mentality is justified. The success of Jagr and Gaborik is always going to outweigh the gargantuan mistakes of Rozsival, Redden, Gomez, Drury, etc.

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2 words for you,

amnesty buyout

God let it be true--Redden needs to go as bad as Drury has been this year I for one can live with him as a 3rd-4th line center.Both contracts are killers but Redden just plays like hes scaried to make a mistake out there with the puck and lately is getting beat all over the ice.
How can there be an amnesty buyout when the cap is going up next season?

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Meh, I don't think Redden will ever be bought out or waived. Sather loves 3 things: Cigars, reclamation projects, and being vindicated.

Everytime he buys low on a guy and that player excels (See: Jagr, Jaromir, and Gaborik, Marian) his "star power" mentality is justified. The success of Jagr and Gaborik is always going to outweigh the gargantuan mistakes of Rozsival, Redden, Gomez, Drury, etc.
This.

His narcissism grows ever larger with every Gaborik point.

Though I believe that Tortorella might get in his ear. If he simply does not get what he wants out of him, he wont play him and then something will have to be done. If that is the case, Sather will do something else he excels at - using the media as a propaganda tool - and he will turn the blame onto Redden the best he can instead of himself to free the team of the contract.

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Yes in the sense: Redden should've known he would be expected to step up for that salary. He hasn't done that.

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I'm sorry but very few athletes "step it up" because of their contract. Its usually the other way around. They are what they are and they aren't going to play any better just because of the paycheck they receive. He went to free agency and he hit the lotto. He isn't going to rip up the ticket just because hes afraid he wont live up to a new level of expectation. Please. He plays this game for 5 more years and he retires to an island/state/country of his choice. Who cares about expectations in the short term when the long term financial stability is staring you in the face.

A little OT, but look at Jacobs on the Giants. He *****ed and moaned about his contract, finally got what he wanted and he is 50% of the player he was when he was trying to earn it. Hes on the sideline out of breath every other play and hes a shadow of his former self. Im not comparing the 2, because Reddens skills were diminishing before the Rangers signed him - I'm just pissed about what im seeing from this jerk.


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I'm sorry but very few athletes "step it up" because of their contract. Its usually the other way around. They are what they are and they aren't going to play any better just because of the paycheck they receive. He went to free agency and he hit the lotto. He isn't going to rip up the ticket just because hes afraid he wont live up to a new level of expectation. Please. He plays this game for 5 more years and he retires to an island/state/country of his choice. Who cares about expectations in the short term when the long term financial stability is staring you in the face.

A little OT, but look at Jacobs on the Giants. He *****ed and moaned about his contract, finally got what he wanted and he is 50% of the player he was when he was trying to earn it. Hes on the sideline out of breath every other play and hes a shadow of his former self. Im not comparing the 2, because Reddens skills were diminishing before the Rangers signed him - I'm just pissed about what im seeing from this jerk.
So, with your mentality, Redden has no responsibility whatsoever to play, or make an effort to play, up to the worth of their contract?

I'm sorry but it's a two-way street here. Redden knew he was coming here with the expectation he would anchor our PP, and be a top OFD scorer. You don't just get handed a 6.5 mil contract and think you can just come to work and go through the motions of your job and let your quality of play decline.

Your comparison to it being a winning lottery ticket is flawed. It's more like this example: You're a skilled chemist working for a relatively small pharmaceutical firm. You produce some great compounds and are given a nice raise by the boss. Then big Pfizer takes notice, offers you a job with a gigantic paycheck/raise with their expectations for you to continue your greatness and be even more innovative at their company. You accept the new job, but your quality of work doesn't improve -- instead it either declines or stays the same.

Sorry for a cheesy example but it's the industry I'm going into so it was easy for me to compare it. The point I'm trying to make here is that Redden should've known what he was signing up for here.

Is he to blame for Sather being a moron? No, absolutely not. This is so much Sather's fault - he should've known Redden was past his prime and not going to get any better... but to say Redden has no responsibility for this albatross contract and living up to expectations is just ridiculous. If you cannot play at the level you used to when you were younger -- OK -- but at least come to work every night and give 120% effort and try your best to do what you were signed here to do. Redden plays a conservative defensive game that isn't even shutdown defense -- that's unacceptable.

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the cool thing about the Redden deal is that he's overpaid at even 1/2 of his cap hit @ 3.25million

so no team would claim such a long deal for such an avg non descript dman.

So they can use him as an 8th Dmen for the Reg season and a 6th dman in the playoffs during which his cap doesn't hurt

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