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Dissapointments of the WJC thus far ?

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12-30-2009, 01:55 PM
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Dissapointments of the WJC thus far ?

What country or players have not lived up to your expectations thus far?
For me Russia looks terrible.
As for player Nemisz for Canada looks lost on the ice.

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12-30-2009, 02:03 PM
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What country or players have not lived up to your expectations thus far?
For me Russia looks terrible.
As for player Nemisz for Canada looks lost on the ice.
Nemisz made this team for obvious reasons. He cant skate, doesnt hit, and relies on Taylor Hall for everything.

Being completely honest, Henrique is becoming the player many hoped Nemisz would become (though they play different roles)

As for Russia, this is a definite off year. But I will say that not having Grachev really hurt

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12-30-2009, 02:04 PM
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I thought the same thing about Russia last year and they almost beat us. Don't write them off yet.

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I think the tournament as a whole has been lacking. Too many blowouts.

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I think the tournament as a whole has been lacking. Too many blowouts.
This. There's got to be tiers placed into this tournament for countries who get blown out year in and year out. Let them develop over time and give them a chance to move up.

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This. There's got to be tiers placed into this tournament for countries who get blown out year in and year out. Let them develop over time and give them a chance to move up.
It seems even more pronounced this year.

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I gotta say I expected a lot more from Brayden Schenn... a lot more.

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Schenn has disappointed me offensively

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Filatov with only 3 points

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Nemisz. Didn't they mention last night that everyone on Team Canada has at least one point except Nemisz?

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Schenn has disappointed me offensively
He has been positionally sound tho, I know he has missed 3-4 open nets from passes he couldn't carral from Eberle. Eberle passes fast and hard without much indication you will be getting a pass, so its tough to blame him for missing some of em. But I agree he has been underwhelming. Especially compared to the likes of MSP and others taken soon after.

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Nemisz. Didn't they mention last night that everyone on Team Canada has at least one point except Nemisz?
Teubert ?

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It seems like both USA and Russia have weaker teams than they did last year (Russia especially).

However, in a short tournament, anything can happen.

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Nemisz. Didn't they mention last night that everyone on Team Canada has at least one point except Nemisz?
Nemisz is the only forward without a point.

Teubert and Scandella don't have any points either, but they're defensemen.

Nemisz and Henrique have also combined for a grand total of 1 point. Looks like Hall carried them both.

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Nemisz + schenn

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Schenn has 5 points and is +6 so far for the tourney

His linemates are Eberle with 8 Points and McMillian with 5. They have easily been Canada's best line even strength and go head to head with the other teams top line.

I hardly see how that is a disappointment. The best part he is eligible to come back next year

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I gotta say I expected a lot more from Brayden Schenn... a lot more.
He hasn't played physical yet and he hasn't got his goal scoring skates on yet, he's always more of a passer, but, even though he's not been as good yet as he could be, he is tied for 2nd on the team in +/- and has 5 points, so all is not lost. And he should shine in the tougher games up coming, as he did in the playoffs last year.

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Seriously, Canada has won 16-0, 6-0 and 8-2 and you people are talking about who's disappointed and who's been offensively challenged? As opposed to what? Scoring 6 points a game? The true test will be when Canada faces the US & if they face Sweden or Russia. Even though Russia is struggling to find their form, they always play the Canadians hard. I expect opinions to change after the games have been completed. Playing in what ended up becoming three dominant routs against inferior competition is, by no means, helping set any kind of precedence amongst the kids.

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Nemisz was selected with the 1st rounder Habs sent to the Flames for Tanguay.

Don't want to speak ill of him, but I guess it's easier to swallow knowing you didn't give up a blue chip prospect.

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Schenn has 5 points and is +6 so far for the tourney

His linemates are Eberle with 8 Points and McMillian with 5. They have easily been Canada's best line even strength and go head to head with the other teams top line.

I hardly see how that is a disappointment. The best part he is eligible to come back next year
I would bet on Schenn being in the NHL next year.
In his game with LA, he looked great considering he had no practice time with the team and was essentially thrown into the fire.

And even then, I havent seen anything to suggest that he is a gambreaker like a Hall or Eberle. But then again I said the same thing about Pietrangelo last year

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Teubert ?
No he has a point. Though him and Jared Cowen have been a bit dissapointing to be honest.

To be honest I think that Phillipe Cornet probably should have made this team over Nemisz but his size and skating hurt him. He's just as gritty as Nemisz and is probably a bit more physical. His skating is about equal and he's more offensively gifted but with small guys like that poor skating hurts you. I notice that Eberle probably gets the least ice time out of all the top 6 forwards and he's arguably their best player including Hall.

I think maybe it's because he doesn't have that speed to push the pace the way Desjardins supposedly likes and instead likes to slow things down.

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I would bet on Schenn being in the NHL next year.
In his game with LA, he looked great considering he had no practice time with the team and was essentially thrown into the fire.

And even then, I havent seen anything to suggest that he is a gambreaker like a Hall or Eberle. But then again I said the same thing about Pietrangelo last year
He is not a game breaker, He is the guy that cleans up after the gamebreaker has done his Job.

He is always the first guy back on his line. He is always making sure there is no odd man rushes. He allows Eberle to be creative without hampering him because he also has the skill to assist him.

Schenn will slot in behind Kopitar in LA and play great two way hockey.

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Nemisz is the only forward without a point.

Teubert and Scandella don't have any points either, but they're defensemen.

Nemisz and Henrique have also combined for a grand total of 1 point. Looks like Hall carried them both.
Henrique is playing injured getting 8 shifts a game. There is a reason he plays PK only.

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It seems like both USA and Russia have weaker teams than they did last year (Russia especially).

However, in a short tournament, anything can happen.
in all honesty, I feel the US has an overall "stronger" team then last year. We have much better coaching, much better goaltending, and in my eyes a more balanced defense. The only area that makes the Americans look worse off is their offense, and it is not on par with previous years.

The US is going to have to grind out some big wins here, but for once it is nice to know that we have A+ coaching and goaltending, and thats what wins medals and championships.

I have been disappointed with Phil Mcrae a little. I felt he would be a pretty big contributor to the offense with his experience here and all. But he is definitely playing another type of role that isnt geared towards pure offense.

Schroeder also worries me a bit, this kid by the end of the tourney needs to lead this team in scoring, because if not, all you will hear about is how much of a bust pick he will be to Vancouver!

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