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01-01-2010, 09:29 PM
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Let's all have a good cry about it.

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01-01-2010, 09:59 PM
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I personally think Anderson is the better goaltender. But putting that aside, what I don't understand is the "they're grooming Quick for the future" argument. Do people believe that Quick will be well served by sitting on the bench and watching Miller play? Do people believe that he physically needs to be at the Olympics to possibly be the number one someday?
No, but it does help. It is not like he flies up there and sits in the box and then flies back the next day... He will be traveling with the team the whole time, and practicing with the team the whole time. He will be out there talking and practicing alongside Miller and Thomas against the "best" USA has to offer... It is a good experience for a young goaltender and if he is in the top 2 next time, he will know first hand what everything is about and what exactly to expect off the ice.

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01-01-2010, 10:41 PM
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Look at it this way, Quick is younger and seems to be the next goalie for team USA in 4 or 8 years.
I'm pretty sure Miller's going to be the starter for USA for a while.

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Quick deserves to be there, he is the goalie of the future for LA and is having a great year.
Actually would have said that was Bernier.

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Neither would see any playing time. This decision came down to politics.
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01-01-2010, 10:43 PM
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That is so incredibly wrong I don't even know what to say. Quick is such a huge reason why the Kings have such a good record in one-goal games and games in which they lead after two. As far as people *****ing about Quick going over Anderson, not only are they going with the younger player, they're going with the one who has been playing better the past two months. Anderson's numbers are greatly buoyed by his ridiculously hot and unsustainable start.

Since the start of November:
Quick -- 2.63 GAA .903 SV%
Anderson -- 3.14 GAA .899 SV%

Anderson is not "clearly" better than Quick by any stretch of the imagination.

December for ***** and giggles:
Quick -- 2.55 GAA .910 SV%
Anderson -- 3.08 GAA .902 SV%
Those are pretty uninspiring for both of them. Jimmy Howard anyone?

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01-01-2010, 10:53 PM
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I love how 1 half of a season as a starting goaltender qualifies Anderson to be a member of the once every 4 years olympics. Get real folks, he's been a career back up. By that token, Dustin Penner should have made the Canadian squad.
Cause Quick has so much NHL experience?

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01-01-2010, 11:28 PM
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Cause Quick has so much NHL experience?
He has more #1 experience than Anderson does.

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01-01-2010, 11:59 PM
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He has more #1 experience than Anderson does.
Excluding anytime Anderson was the #1 by injury, Quick has what, half a season on him? I could give you the experience argument if we're talking a couple seasons. But not when we're talking fractions of a season. and not when Anderson actually has near double the amount of NHL games.

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01-02-2010, 12:54 AM
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Excluding anytime Anderson was the #1 by injury, Quick has what, half a season on him? I could give you the experience argument if we're talking a couple seasons. But not when we're talking fractions of a season. and not when Anderson actually has near double the amount of NHL games.
Quick's selection over Anderson's has gone so far over your head it doesn't even matter anymore what I'm saying.

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01-02-2010, 01:21 AM
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Anderson is 28, Quick is 23. As others have said, it doesn't really matter since Miller will be playing all the games anyway, but I get teh feeling that the US is giving Quick the experience with the idea that he could be the guy in either 2014 or 2018.
Wow, didn't realize Anderson was that young. Thought Anderson should have made it.

I agree. "Goalie of the future" is BS. Goalies age well.

Look at other teams:

Canada: Brodeur, 37
Russia: Nabokov, 34
Finland: Kipprusoff, 34

All Gold contenders.

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01-02-2010, 01:27 AM
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That looks better. Quick is in the bottom tier of starting goaltenders in the league, and soon LA will have found a better, also long-term solution in their system. Mark my words. I've seen a lot of Kings games, and Quick is merely OK. He's nothing special.
Youre right nothing special goalies always win 20+ games

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01-02-2010, 02:28 AM
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Wow, didn't realize Anderson was that young. Thought Anderson should have made it.

I agree. "Goalie of the future" is BS. Goalies age well.

Look at other teams:

Canada: Brodeur, 37
Russia: Nabokov, 34
Finland: Kipprusoff, 34

All Gold contenders.
...Now look at all their 3rd string goaltenders:

Canada: Marc-Andre Fleury, 25
Russia: Semyon Varlamov, 21
Finland: Antero Niittymäki, 29
Sweden: Jonas Gustavsson, 25
Czech: Ondřej Pavelec, 22
Slovakia: Jaroslav Halák, 24
USA: Jonathan Quick, 23

Only one team with NHL netminders has a depth goaltender as old as Anderson and he legitimately has a shot at top 2 in his career.

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01-02-2010, 10:49 AM
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I'd take Jimmy Howard, because being on the Olympic team could have given him a huge confidence boost to get that sort of recognition, which would have helped out my Red Wings =)

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This thread shows just how rare it is for some NHL fans to actually watch a game involving the Kings.

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01-02-2010, 01:06 PM
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Quick deserves to be there, he is the goalie of the future for LA and is having a great year.
Jonathan Bernier says Hi.

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01-02-2010, 02:19 PM
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...Now look at all their 3rd string goaltenders:

Canada: Marc-Andre Fleury, 25
Russia: Semyon Varlamov, 21
Finland: Antero Niittymäki, 29
Sweden: Jonas Gustavsson, 25
Czech: Ondřej Pavelec, 22
Slovakia: Jaroslav Halák, 24
USA: Jonathan Quick, 23

Only one team with NHL netminders has a depth goaltender as old as Anderson and he legitimately has a shot at top 2 in his career.

Gustavsson and Halák are not their country's third stringers

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01-02-2010, 02:20 PM
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Quick's selection over Anderson's has gone so far over your head it doesn't even matter anymore what I'm saying.
Your intelligence is amazing

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01-02-2010, 02:21 PM
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This thread shows just how rare it is for some NHL fans to actually watch a game involving the Kings.
Actually I would have said it showed how sensitive Kings fans are. I never knew how much people would defend a guy with worse stats than Cristobal Huet. It's the Dan Cloutier effect back again!

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Jonathan Bernier says Hi.
I was waiting for somebody to mention him.

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That is so incredibly wrong I don't even know what to say. Quick is such a huge reason why the Kings have such a good record in one-goal games and games in which they lead after two. As far as people *****ing about Quick going over Anderson, not only are they going with the younger player, they're going with the one who has been playing better the past two months. Anderson's numbers are greatly buoyed by his ridiculously hot and unsustainable start.

Since the start of November:
Quick -- 2.63 GAA .903 SV%
Anderson -- 3.14 GAA .899 SV%

Anderson is not "clearly" better than Quick by any stretch of the imagination.

December for ***** and giggles:
Quick -- 2.55 GAA .910 SV%
Anderson -- 3.08 GAA .902 SV%
Jimmy Howard carrying an injury depleted Wings squad

November: 6-2-0 2.10 GAA .923 Save %
December: 6-4-1 1.90 GAA .935 Save %

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Jimmy Howard carrying an injury depleted Wings squad

November: 6-2-0 2.10 GAA .923 Save %
December: 6-4-1 1.90 GAA .935 Save %
Would also have thought Howard would have garnered more attention - particularly since he is a product of the USA hockey program and played well for Team USA at the junior tournaments (as did Al Montoya for that matter but that's a conversation for another day).

Either way, the US appears well-suited for the future in terms of goaltending and it will be interesting to see who plays at the World Championships - although it is unlikely Detroit will not once again go deep into the NHL playoffs.

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Gustavsson and Halák are not their country's third stringers
Well they aren't their country's superstar number one's which still validates my point against his argument. Every other country has taken on a young goaltender for the future.

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01-02-2010, 05:23 PM
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I never knew how much people would defend a guy with worse stats than Cristobal Huet. It's the Dan Cloutier effect back again!
You prove my point entirely. Stat watching rather than game watching.

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Care to clue me in? The only stat Quick has over Anderson is wins (by two) and GAA (by 0.07).

Who's calling him a bum? I'm just pointing out the obvious - it was a homer pick by Lombardi. As was the Komisarek pick by Burke.
Dude, Lombardi isn't allowed to pick his own players. Quick was chosen by everyone else. With all due respect, get a clue.

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Jonathan Bernier says Hi.
...from the AHL. I have high, high hopes for Bernier, but can you really compare a guy who is playing really well in the AHL to a guy who is playing really well with the most minutes of any goalie in the NHL?

Potential is great and Bernier has tons of it, but Quick is currently proving it in the NHL.

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Actually I would have said it showed how sensitive Kings fans are. I never knew how much people would defend a guy with worse stats than Cristobal Huet. It's the Dan Cloutier effect back again!
Are you saying that any Kings fan tried to say that Cloutier was good?

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That is so incredibly wrong I don't even know what to say. Quick is such a huge reason why the Kings have such a good record in one-goal games and games in which they lead after two. As far as people *****ing about Quick going over Anderson, not only are they going with the younger player, they're going with the one who has been playing better the past two months. Anderson's numbers are greatly buoyed by his ridiculously hot and unsustainable start.

Since the start of November:
Quick -- 2.63 GAA .903 SV%
Anderson -- 3.14 GAA .899 SV%

Anderson is not "clearly" better than Quick by any stretch of the imagination.

December for ***** and giggles:
Quick -- 2.55 GAA .910 SV%
Anderson -- 3.08 GAA .902 SV%
Jimmy Howard has been better than both... especially in December granted with 2/3 as many starts as Quick and Anderson. 22gp vs 35gp vs 37gp

Howard in December: 1.90 GAA .935 SV%

Howard for the season: 2.25 GAA .921 SV%

Also though its sorta funny to say this but Howard also plays on the worst team. Just saying Howard should have been and was in the discussion imo.

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