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Maybe a Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup this decade...
Congratulations on probably the dumbest thread I have seen on this board. All you have done is make Canadian hockey fans look bad with this incredible amount of arrogance. Sadly, it's only a few that think like this, but I feel for most of the fans in Canada. Now you will wonder why people root against Canada, and it's not because of they are the "best", but because of nonsense like this.
"Is it even close?"
Good thing hockey is played on the ice and not from hfboards internet lineups. I wish I had the time in my day to think of these things. Maybe we shouldn't even play in the Olympics, nor should Sweden, Finland, Russia, Switzerland and all other teams, and Canada should field 8 teams and see who wins the gold medal? So now you can have Team A Canada vs Team E Canada is it even close?
Not really sure what a Canadian team winning a cup has to do with Team Canada having good depth and Canadians thinking we can win gold...its not like the Canadian NHL teams are made up of all the best Canadian players...
Maybe a Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup this decade...
Congratulations on probably the dumbest thread I have seen on this board. All you have done is make Canadian hockey fans look bad with this incredible amount of arrogance. Sadly, it's only a few that think like this, but I feel for most of the fans in Canada. Now you will wonder why people root against Canada, and it's not because of they are the "best", but because of nonsense like this.
"Is it even close?"
Good thing hockey is played on the ice and not from hfboards internet lineups. I wish I had the time in my day to think of these things. Maybe we shouldn't even play in the Olympics, nor should Sweden, Finland, Russia, Switzerland and all other teams, and Canada should field 8 teams and see who wins the gold medal? So now you can have Team A Canada vs Team E Canada is it even close?
Wait, what? You do know that every Stanley Cup winning captain in history except Modano and Lidstrom were Canadian, right? What do Canadian teams, many of which have been captained by Europeans lately, have to do with Canadian players? The Leafs GM and star player are both American too.
PS arrogant Canadians are still jerks. But this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Originally Posted by caniacho
Why? I remember last season so many people says Vlasic is top 25 d-man in league. What happen?
Canada has amazing depth. Even team E is good. Not enough for something special but looks very good on list.
I'm a big Sharks fan and I think Vlasic is overrated. He causes lots of turnovers and makes lots of dumb plays. I was kidding/exaggerating though just because I'm known for hating Vlasic.
Not really sure what a Canadian team winning a cup has to do with Team Canada having good depth and Canadians thinking we can win gold...its not like the Canadian NHL teams are made up of all the best Canadian players...
It has nothing to do with it, that's how stupid and ridiculously inane this thread is.
Congratulations on probably the dumbest thread I have seen on this board. All you have done is make Canadian hockey fans look bad with this incredible amount of arrogance. Sadly, it's only a few that think like this, but I feel for most of the fans in Canada. Now you will wonder why people root against Canada, and it's not because of they are the "best", but because of nonsense like this.
"Is it even close?"
Good thing hockey is played on the ice and not from hfboards internet lineups. I wish I had the time in my day to think of these things. Maybe we shouldn't even play in the Olympics, nor should Sweden, Finland, Russia, Switzerland and all other teams, and Canada should field 8 teams and see who wins the gold medal? So now you can have Team A Canada vs Team E Canada is it even close?
just don't worry about it. the level of arrogance is high indeed, but we get this every 4 years anyway, so just let them fantasize.
the Canadians simply think that since they have so much depth they should get some special recognition for it, but I think that most fans have simply forgotten that 20 very good individuals don't make a strong team. this is not baseball. hockey is much more complex.
besides, we all know what happened last time :
- 1 day before the Olympics there were "Canada C vs. other nation A" threads all over this place,
- after every Canadian defeat, there were "the Olympics should go back to the amateurs" threads all over this place.
just don't worry about it. the level of arrogance is high indeed, but we get this every 4 years anyway, so just let them fantasize.
the Canadians simply think that since they have so much depth they should get some special recognition for it, but I think that most fans have simply forgotten that 20 very good individuals don't make a strong team. this is not baseball. hockey is much more complex.
besides, we all know what happened last time :
- 1 day before the Olympics there were "Canada C vs. other nation A" threads all over this place, - after every Canadian defeat, there were "the Olympics should go back to the amateurs" threads all over this place.
The US will have problems with a couple of the young guys on the team I bet. I am surprised that there isn't more veterans in the Langenbrunner mold. Is he and the more mature youngsters and non-leader veterans really enough to keep the brats in check?
I am generalizing because in fact, some Canadian fans on this very forum were disgusted with the attitude of other sore losers that couldn't contain their disappointment/hurt feelings.
still, apparently a lot of Canadians don't learn lessons in defeats. and we get the same arguments all over and over and over again ...
You guys are missing the real question: Can USA B beat Canada E playing outside 4 on 4 with offsides turned off on the moon with Queen playing?
no, it would result in the American landing on the moon as a fake, and they'd get cold outside due to the fact that only Canada gets snow and not in the US.
other problems include:
a. They play sports with too many people in the game (ie Football and Baseball)
b. If the Queen played, they'd return under rule of British Monarchy because Michelle Obama made a move on the Queen and poor Elizabeth yelled "HANDS OFF!"
If the United States trained their best athletes to play one specific sport like it's universally accepted that Canadians usually train their best athletes to play hockey, it's very plausible to suspect that we would have comparable success. Due to geographic and economic restraints, our best athletes usually play basketball, football, and baseball as opposed to hockey. The same discussion applies for soccer or "football".
Could you imagine what it would be like if we could convince athletes like Lebron James at a young age to play hockey instead of basketball? Imagine a 6 foot 7 inch hockey player with tree trunks for legs and the kind of impact he could have on the game.
It is down right shocking that the United States produces as many quality hockey players as it does with the playing field being as unlevel as it is against our country producing these kinds of talents. When a hockey player comes out of the States, it's a perfect storm of geography, economic ability to foster said talent, and dodging the distractions of more high profile sports in favor of what is essentially an afterthought in our cultural hierarchy. Yes, I am aware that there are certain states, mostly bordering Canada, that are just as hockey crazed as parts of Canada but for the most part the above applies.
If the game continues to expand into the Southern markets and actually gains a foothold, there are going to be some scary athletes coming out of this country in the next few decades.
USA (a) over Canada (b) because of line chemistry. USA (a) have both great scoring lines and an deadly checking line (IMO: Backes-Kesler-Brown) You need a decent checking line people, not 4 "scoring" lines!
I don't think it's a matter of arrogance. It's a simple question.
We all know the American 4th baseball team would annihilate (on paper) the best Canadian team.....those are the facts.
I see no reason for some to get their knickers in a knot regarding this question
If the Americans ever started to take hockey serious, the rest of the world better watch out....that's a fact too.
If the United States trained their best athletes to play one specific sport like it's universally accepted that Canadians usually train their best athletes to play hockey, it's very plausible to suspect that we would have comparable success. Due to geographic and economic restraints, our best athletes usually play basketball, football, and baseball as opposed to hockey. The same discussion applies for soccer or "football".
Could you imagine what it would be like if we could convince athletes like Lebron James at a young age to play hockey instead of basketball? Imagine a 6 foot 7 inch hockey player with tree trunks for legs and the kind of impact he could have on the game.
It is down right shocking that the United States produces as many quality hockey players as it does with the playing field being as unlevel as it is against our country producing these kinds of talents. When a hockey player comes out of the States, it's a perfect storm of geography, economic ability to foster said talent, and dodging the distractions of more high profile sports in favor of what is essentially an afterthought in our cultural hierarchy. Yes, I am aware that there are certain states, mostly bordering Canada, that are just as hockey crazed as parts of Canada but for the most part the above applies.
If the game continues to expand into the Southern markets and actually gains a foothold, there are going to be some scary athletes coming out of this country in the next few decades.
man, i never can understand the people that make these type of threads.
i don't want to slag the original poster but cmon man!!
i know it's a hockey discussion board but all these kind of threads does is open up Canadian hockey to needless ridicule and this board doesn't need any help from us to do that already, fans from abroad love doing that as it is.
why bring it on ourselves?
All they have to do is point out Canadas 'a' team performance last time out and they can have a field day with potshots.
and in this case i wouldnt blame them.
Honestly, sometimes I think these threads must be made by fans from other teams that hate us so we can look like hockey morons while they sit back and enjoy the ******** all over us to follow, i find it hard to believe knowledgeable fans from here could have the lack of foresight and reality of the international hockey situation to actually put these in.
If it is our fans, please, for the love of God, stop it!!
I will seriously cream my own jeans, bump this thread, and taunt every Canadian I come across if the Americans beat Team Canada in February. The arrogance of some of you people is astounding.
At least you're good at something, though, right? Even if it is a niche, winter sport?
Hey, I rather have a reputation to be good at hockey, rather than have a rep of being good at torturing\bombing\eating contests\nascar\micheal bay movies, but thats just me.
I understand your pissed, but come on man... you sound like Bono in that Southpark episode "But I am number 1... I am never number 2... America is the best at everything WAHHHHHH WAAAHHHHHHH"
I understand some of Canadian's being arrogant... but COME ON... an American calling Canadians arrogant, if that is not the kettle calling the pot black, I don't know what is.
I know all American's are not like that, and it would be stupid to paint you all this way, but come on, this "niche" winter sport means a lot to our country, and obviosly yourself or else you wouldn't be on a message board making comments.
I mean if this were basketball, USA's Y team would mop the floor with Canada, and you don't hear us crying about that, its accepted.
Majority of Canada's best athletes play hockey... therefore we will consistently be strong in it, plus hockey means so much more to Canadians than America as a whole, if you don't like it, than do read this thread... I think its a good discussion...
As for the topic at hand.... I think the States would beat our B team, I even think they have a legit chance with our real team... going into the tourney the states have the best goaltender... the biggest weakness is defiently their D in my opinion... but I won't be shocked if they get a medal.
Last edited by Seguins Dragon*: 01-02-2010 at 11:42 AM.
I don't think it's a matter of arrogance. It's a simple question.
We all know the American 4th baseball team would annihilate (on paper) the best Canadian team.....those are the facts.
I see no reason for some to get their knickers in a knot regarding this question
If the Americans ever started to take hockey serious, the rest of the world better watch out....that's a fact too.
lolz! Without a doubt. Hockey is all we have (other than the odd MVP here and there in other sports). Any half decent college football team would leave the CFL in ruins too. The Dillon Panthers could crush the CFL. Basketball is an absolute laugher too. Don't even get me started on soccer and bowling.
Maybe a Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup this decade...
Congratulations on probably the dumbest thread I have seen on this board.
I bolded this, just because you set yourself up so well. On the majority of all teams winning the Stanley Cup last decade, the majority of the players. Six of the last nine (lockout year) Conn Smythe winners were also Canadian, Malkin, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom are the only exception.
New Jersey Devils 1999-2000 (14/25; Stevens Conn Smythe)
Colorado Avalanche 2000-2001 (14/25; Roy Conn Smythe)
Detroit Red Wings 2001-2002 (12/25)
New Jersey Devils 2002-2003 (14/25; JS Giguere Conn Smythe)
Tampa Bay Lightning 2003-2004(17/25; Brad Richards Conn Smythe)
Lock-Out Year 2004-2005
Carolina Hurricanes 2005-2006 (9/25; Cam Ward Conn Smythe)
Anaheim Ducks 2006-2007 (18/25; Scott Niedermayer Conn Smythe)
Detroit Red Wings 2007-2008 (12/25)
Pittsburgh Penguins 2008-2009 (16/25)
So as you can see, Canadians for the majority make up most of your beloved franchises and often cup winners. As well the majority of the time they are also seen as the MVP of the entire playoffs. To say Canadian cities should win more Stanley Cups is just plain ignorance. In fact, we have more Stanley Cup parades in Canada than most other nations each year, it just doesn't come from one of our beloved six franchise.
Brad Richards - Vincent Lecavalier - Martin St. Louis [The Cup-winning Tampa line]
Michael Cammalleri - Jason Spezza - Dustin Penner [speed, finesse, and a net-crasher]
Simon Gagne - Jeff Carter - Nathan Horton [The Philadelphia connection and a power forward with a career year so far]
Ryan Smyth - Mike Fisher - Shane Doan [punishing, hard working shutdown line, leadership]
James Neal / Marc Savard / Stephen Weiss
Dion Phaneuf - Jay Bouwmeester [The Flames duo, enough said]
Mike Green - Ed Jovanovski [the best offensive D with an experienced vet]
Brian Campbell - Stephane Robidas [Much-improved Campbell with an all-around impressive defenseman]
Chris Phillips / Robyn Regehr [shutdown veterans]
Carey Price [at, possibly better than, rookie form]
Dwayne Roloson [incredible at 40]
Marty Turco [can't leave him off despite inconsistency]
I definitely believe this team can beat the USA A team. It is better in all categories except for goaltending. It's got just as much toughness as the USA team, if not more, and has much more offensive prowess.
That being said, US does have a good chance at a medal, but Sweden and Finland may have a say in that.
You do know that every Stanley Cup winning captain in history except Modano and Lidstrom were Canadian, right? What do Canadian teams, many of which have been captained by Europeans lately, have to do with Canadian players? The Leafs GM and star player are both American too.
). Any half decent college football team would leave the CFL in ruins too. The Dillon Panthers could crush the CFL. Basketball is an absolute laugher too. Don't even get me started on soccer and bowling.
