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View Poll Results: Will Pat Quinn still be coach in 2010-2011?
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Because if you could do it, it would show that you have a point.
In your mind I won't. Its a foregone conclusion.

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Not everyone.
A new year and the results don't change.
Anyone that thought Quinn was the answer to what ailed this team was a fool.
Myself and others have said time and time again since he was fired that MacT was not the issue with this team. It took another 1/2 a season for some people to realize as much.

Injuries are not the issue as some would claim. This team is lacking a lot of things but first and foremost is that it has little to no heart, and that isn't a product of talent.
I think Mac-T playing favorites was part of the issue ... Does anyone remember Horcoff for Team Canada comments from Mac T?? lol

Without Mac T feeling Horcoff was #1 centre and giving him all the minutes would Lowe have offered him 5.5 for the next 5 years? Im not so sure. right now we have several contracts that look Horrible.

Gilberts contract stinks, Horcoffs contract is very bad, Staios as a bottom 4 D making 2.7 looks gross too. I'd be surprised if 3 out of the 5 bad contracts are not moved by the deadline or at the draft.


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Horcoff (no one will take them unless we overpay them in a trade)
Staios for a late round pick
Moreau is done, could convince someone to take him for a bottom 6 pk specialist for a playoff run
Gilbert I'd give one more year and if he doesnt get back to his A game next year will be my trade bait next year
O'Sullivan he has me so confused if he will be a good scorer again or not... Id hold on to see if he rebounds.

someone mentioned the Salary we would save in trading Moreau and Staios and how that may make Horcoffs contract less painful for us. Its true. Moreau really is a bottom 3 forward at this point in his career and Staios is a bottom 4 Dman. If we bring in peckham for staios next year and keep Potulny instead of Moreau we'd be better off

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I want you to tell me what Quinn is doing wrong. Specifically. What would you do differently? What is Quinn not doing that he should be doing? Please be specific and give examples to support your view. Oh, and try not to throw the insults around. You have said this is his fault. I want to know why.
I'll step in for replacement if I may. As replacement pointed out, it looks like a player like Souray completely doesn't give a rats ptuie about whether the team wins or not. That kind of thing happens when the coach publicly questions the team before the season starts and when the coach has already become known nation wide for his predictably entertaining (and win or lose) post game rants.

He's lost the team. Already. Who could have seen that coming???

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I'll step in for replacement if I may. As replacement pointed out, it looks like a player like Souray completely doesn't give a rats ptuie about whether the team wins or not. That kind of thing happens when the coach publicly questions the team before the season starts and when the coach has already become known nation wide for his predictably entertaining (and win or lose) post game rants.

He's lost the team. Already. Who could have seen that coming???
Souray and who else?

Souray has his own issues going on which could account for this own issues.

Lots of guys are playing better this year than last, the talent just isn't there to get wins.

We were going to lose Hemsky and Khabibulin and to the a lesser extent Comrie and Pisani and just keep humming along with no effect?

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I'll step in for replacement if I may. As replacement pointed out, it looks like a player like Souray completely doesn't give a rats ptuie about whether the team wins or not. That kind of thing happens when the coach publicly questions the team before the season starts and when the coach has already become known nation wide for his predictably entertaining (and win or lose) post game rants.

He's lost the team. Already. Who could have seen that coming???
If the players are going to pout because Quinn hurts their feelings then they need to GTFO our Edmonton Oilers club. They can go cry on some other team.

I'm not convinced he's lost the team though. I think the problem is the players. I know it's been said time and time again, but is Moreau doing enough to keep the team going during this difficult time?

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Well I want to see ur reasoning's as well
I've said it many times. This was a club with too many players that were contractually entitled and locked up. = Contractually sated!

This was a team that accepted losing with a smile on its face as long as the $ is good.

This is a club that collectively discovered that once obtained, losing is the effortless path of least resistance.

The whole psyche of this club came to accept losing and were even arguably rewarded for the same with many of the suspect contracts occurring during woeful losing seasons.

Add to this that physically this forward lineup was about as poorly suited to playing Quinn hockey then I could imagine. They can't effectively forecheck, can't win puck battles, can't cycle, won't play with sustained intensity and the forwards collectively are way too small.

This was a really bad match for a motivational coach that needed energy and commitment to achieve objectives.

Most players on this club were not prepared to extend themselves.

Again who do you see that is putting forth a major effort?

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In your mind I won't. Its a foregone conclusion.
If you cant tell what he is doing wrong and explain it how can you possibly be calling for the man's job and patting yourself on the back for knowing so all along? Your reluctance tells me that you are just blowing wind.

When I was on Mact I detailed why I thought he should go. I talked about what I thought he was doing wrong. Specifically. Maybe I was wrong? If so that would be two coaches that couldnt steer this ship. How does that indicate that Quinn doesnt have a clue?

Everything I have heard him say would indicate he knows exactly what is wrong here and that he is trying to address it. How is that wrong? What would you have him do?

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I've said it many times. This was a club with too many players that were contractually entitled and locked up. = Contractually sated!

Again who do you see that is putting forth a major effort?
Visnovsky, Smid, Staois, Brule, Gagner, Nilsson, Penner, Potulny are better this year than last. In some cases far better. Gilbert is coming around. Horcoff, O'Sullivan, Moreau are basically the same (though Horc is playing hurt).

Souray and Grebeshkov seem out of it. Cogs is snake bit some thing fierce.

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I'll step in for replacement if I may. As replacement pointed out, it looks like a player like Souray completely doesn't give a rats ptuie about whether the team wins or not. That kind of thing happens when the coach publicly questions the team before the season starts and when the coach has already become known nation wide for his predictably entertaining (and win or lose) post game rants.

He's lost the team. Already. Who could have seen that coming???
You think that Souray isn't giving his all becuase Quinn has some post game rants?
Well if that's the case, then his ass needs to be shipped out ASAP because as a supposed "leader" of the team, that's a piss poor excuse for not playing hard and is more of an indictment on the player than on the coach.

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I'm hoping Quinn toughs it out this year to reap the rewards that are coming. The management really hung him out to dry with this team, its totally unworkable. Vets balking at the system, too many AHL calibre players, no semblance of a checking line whatsoever, really passive play. A lot of the problems that stemmed from last year.

I really think Quinn can do some good things with the rookies that are coming, that being said I don't think we'll be making the playoffs in his stay here.
This post sums up my feelings.

When Tambellini said he wasn't going to make any changes, the season was basically already over.

I'd like to think that some of the players have benefited from Quinn, but aside from Penner, I'm having a hard time thinking of any concrete evidence to support the idea. However, I don't think he's hurting anything: this was a crappy roster on paper, and it's gotten even worse thanks to injuries.


What I hope is that Pat Quinn's hockey experience will help the team in changing the culture of this team. He's had a chance to get to know the players and he probably has a good idea by now of who the winners and losers are in this organization. I hope that the Oilers organization makes use of Quinn's insight in getting rid of a lot of guys who are not winners.

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I'll step in for replacement if I may. As replacement pointed out, it looks like a player like Souray completely doesn't give a rats ptuie about whether the team wins or not. That kind of thing happens when the coach publicly questions the team before the season starts and when the coach has already become known nation wide for his predictably entertaining (and win or lose) post game rants.

He's lost the team. Already. Who could have seen that coming???
Maybe. If that is the case its more of a comment on the players and not the coach. They arent getting it done. If they cant handle someone telling them that and asking them to do better then what good are they? Really what every player on this team needs is a swift kick in the rear and a reality check.

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If you cant tell what he is doing wrong and explain it how can you possibly be calling for the man's job and patting yourself on the back for knowing so all along? Your reluctance tells me that you are just blowing wind.

When I was on Mact I detailed why I thought he should go. I talked about what I thought he was doing wrong. Specifically. Maybe I was wrong? If so that would be two coaches that couldnt steer this ship. How does that indicate that Quinn doesnt have a clue?

Everything I have heard him say would indicate he knows exactly what is wrong here and that he is trying to address it. How is that wrong? What would you have him do?
I would have him manage this club not coach it.
Quinn as HBP indicates see's ample problems with this lineup. Maybe he did from the start. But then why be here as coach of a club that can't play his brand of hockey?

Why not manage the club?

Quinn here only makes sense if this is the next move next year.

Again I could get behind that.

ps I did respond to your question in another post above.

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I would have him manage this club not coach it.
Quinn as HBP indicates see's ample problems with this lineup. Maybe he did from the start. But then why be here as coach of a club that can't play his brand of hockey?

Why not manage the club?

Quinn here only makes sense if this is the next move next year.

Again I could get behind that.
I'm pretty sure Tambellini sees the same issues. He just hasn't been able to do anything about it.

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I've said it many times. This was a club with too many players that were contractually entitled and locked up. = Contractually sated!

This was a team that accepted losing with a smile on its face as long as the $ is good.

This is a club that collectively discovered that once obtained, losing is the effortless path of least resistance.

The whole psyche of this club came to accept losing and were even arguably rewarded for the same with many of the suspect contracts occurring during woeful losing seasons.

Add to this that physically this forward lineup was about as poorly suited to playing Quinn hockey then I could imagine. They can't effectively forecheck, can't win puck battles, can't cycle, won't play with sustained intensity and the forwards collectively are way too small.

This was a really bad match for a motivational coach that needed energy and commitment to achieve objectives.

Most players on this club were not prepared to extend themselves.

Again who do you see that is putting forth a major effort?

Don't you think that's more of an indictment of managment and the players than the coach? These are the same reasons that it was stupid that people were blaming MacT last year, the problem starts at the top with Lowe et.al and with the personnel that was constructed by those guys.... How anyone can blame coaching fully (MacT last year and Quinn this year) is beyond me (not saying you necessarily, just generally)

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I've said it many times. This was a club with too many players that were contractually entitled and locked up. = Contractually sated!

This was a team that accepted losing with a smile on its face as long as the $ is good.

This is a club that collectively discovered that once obtained, losing is the effortless path of least resistance.

The whole psyche of this club came to accept losing and were even arguably rewarded for the same with many of the suspect contracts occurring during woeful losing seasons.

Add to this that physically this forward lineup was about as poorly suited to playing Quinn hockey then I could imagine. They can't effectively forecheck, can't win puck battles, can't cycle, won't play with sustained intensity and the forwards collectively are way too small.

This was a really bad match for a motivational coach that needed energy and commitment to achieve objectives.

Most players on this club were not prepared to extend themselves.

Again who do you see that is putting forth a major effort?
I dont really disagree with most of this but how is that on Quinn? What would you do with this group?

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I dont really disagree with most of this but how is that on Quinn? What would you do with this group?
I think maybe the better question is even if you could, why would you want to?

The Oilers are doing exactly what they probably should've done 2-3 years ago, but at least they're doing it now (unlike say ... the Leafs).

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Souray and who else?

Souray has his own issues going on which could account for this own issues.

Lots of guys are playing better this year than last, the talent just isn't there to get wins.

We were going to lose Hemsky and Khabibulin and to the a lesser extent Comrie and Pisani and just keep humming along with no effect?
You're right. I have never bought the "injuries are no excuse" line. Of course they matter. I'm in this thread because (a) I think the double standard applied to MacTavish most or all or last year needs revisiting in light of Quinn's "success" so far and (b) because I didn't like how Quinn seemed to so deliberately set himself as blameless from the very start of the season by making it absolutely clear in the media that he had no faith in his roster.

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You're right. I have never bought the "injuries are no excuse" line. Of course they matter. I'm in this thread because (a) I think the double standard applied to MacTavish most or all or last year needs revisiting in light of Quinn's "success" so far and (b) because I didn't like how Quinn seemed to so deliberately set himself as blameless from the very start of the season by making it absolutely clear in the media that he had no faith in his roster.
I just don't like the way Mac T teams play period. No fore check at all. I noticed the Oilers tonight were still fore checking even late in the game and at least trying. Mac T's decent at developing defense men (though who knows how much of that was Huddy).

I'm glad he's gone and wouldn't want him back at all.

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dont forget 237+ man games lost... is our club record still 286?? If so we are a lock to set a new record for man games lost
I believe it was 390+ games in 2007-08.

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Visnovsky, Smid, Staois, Brule, Gagner, Nilsson, Penner, Potulny are better this year than last. In some cases far better. Gilbert is coming around. Horcoff, O'Sullivan, Moreau are basically the same (though Horc is playing hurt).

Souray and Grebeshkov seem out of it. Cogs is snake bit some thing fierce.
I question all of the bolded. Its not as clear as you make it that all these players are better. Indeed wheres any substantiation for that?

The collective result being worst ever I think anyone is hardpressed to argue anybody other than Penner, Smid, having a career year this year.

Which is not unreasonable to expect. In most coaching changes involving top coaches there would be a handful of players playing very well and establishing themselves.

Lets also look at the guys that Quinn has stood firmly behind this season.

Brule, JFJ, Potulny, Stone, Stortini, Sully.

How well are those guys playing for him? Are they going to war for him?

More like going through the motions.

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Quinn well not quit on this team and would relish a chance to redeem himself with a revamped roster next year. The problem with this team is not the coach its the lack of high end skill with size thats killing us right now. Maybe if the team was healthy they could go for a Playoff spot thats not been the case. Quinn is far from done. For **** sakes he just started.

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Don't you think that's more of an indictment of managment and the players than the coach? These are the same reasons that it was stupid that people were blaming MacT last year, the problem starts at the top with Lowe et.al and with the personnel that was constructed by those guys.... How anyone can blame coaching fully (MacT last year and Quinn this year) is beyond me (not saying you necessarily, just generally)
Well I've always blamed management and choice of player personnel here.

This is a very poorly recruited NHL club. Theres a handful of players I'd have on my team.

Anybody thats been familiar with my posting knows I've been blasting Lowe for years.

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Well I've always blamed management and choice of player personnel here.

This is a very poorly recruited NHL club. Theres a handful of players I'd have on my team.

Anybody thats been familiar with my posting knows I've been blasting Lowe for years.
Then add two plus two and figure it out.

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