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01-03-2010, 03:02 AM
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Mueller: Phoenix has cap room to be buyers

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx091213.html

What salary could we move to acquire Mueller from Phoenix.. they were looking at chelios so possibly Staios could be part of the package

Horcoff + Staios for Mueller and 2nd?

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The fact that Phoenix has cap room doesn't add any trade value to Horcoff - we're stuck with him.

Swap Cogliano for Horcoff and that proposal would be closer.

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Souray for a 1st....new owner may want to make a splash to make the playoffs....maybe add cogs and Mueller

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The fact that Phoenix has cap room doesn't add any trade value to Horcoff - we're stuck with him.

Swap Cogliano for Horcoff and that proposal would be closer.
It also doesn't add to the fact that Phoenix has an internal salary cap called a budget which probably isn't a whole lot higher then what they have now.

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It also doesn't add to the fact that Phoenix has an internal salary cap called a budget which probably isn't a whole lot higher then what they have now.
Which makes a player such as Souray, who has a cap hit that is $900,000 higher than his salary in the next two years, pretty damn attractive to a team like Phoenix, no?

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sadly i dont ever see us dumping horcoff. i cant imagine a team dumb enough to take this bum.

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http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx091213.html

What salary could we move to acquire Mueller from Phoenix.. they were looking at chelios so possibly Staios could be part of the package

Horcoff + Staios for Mueller and 2nd?

so the phoenix take a horrible contract and we get a good player in return and a second

right now you couldn't get a second for horcoff

his has that bad of a contract.. Mueller is still a blue chipper

whether we like it or not---if you want to talk serious about moving horcoff--oilers are adding either a first or eberle and getting no name player in return

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Phoenix management will avoid Tambellini like the clap.

Nothing but rotten fruit at our stand.

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It also doesn't add to the fact that Phoenix has an internal salary cap called a budget which probably isn't a whole lot higher then what they have now.
The prospect of going on a playoff run may be changing the numbers a bit for Phoenix. Adding an impact player could lead to an extra round of playoffs. Something the franchise definitely needs. It would be a wise investment.

We should offer Penner. He is our best trading asset at the moment.

Kyle Turris and other non-roster assets may be available.

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I brought up Souray for Mueller a while ago. I think Phoenix' uncertain situation would raise issues in terms of Souray's NTC. I imagine the Coyotes would have some interest in Souray, certainly considering his real salary goes to 4.5M in the final two years of his deal.

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The prospect of going on a playoff run may be changing the numbers a bit for Phoenix. Adding an impact player could lead to an extra round of playoffs. Something the franchise definitely needs. It would be a wise investment.
I agree.. they are looking for veteran defensive depth... which makes me think we could offer up staios....If we could somehow work out Horcoff and staios to Phoenix for Mueller and a prospect or pick it would be awesome. Isnt Mueller an RFA after this season?

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Too bad we can't send Horcoff instead of transfer payments to a team like Phoenix in the offseason, that would be double awesome!

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To Phoenix: Souray and Cogliano
To Edmonton: Turris and Mueller

Works for both clubs IMO, we shed salary and get a top prospect and we also swap a couple of young players that need changes of scenery. Souray is closer to California and we shed salary while looking to continue to tank. A win/win for everyone involved IMO.

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To Phoenix: Souray and Cogliano
To Edmonton: Turris and Mueller

Works for both clubs IMO, we shed salary and get a top prospect and we also swap a couple of young players that need changes of scenery. Souray is closer to California and we shed salary while looking to continue to tank. A win/win for everyone involved IMO.
There is no way Phoenex trades both Mueller and Turris. Also some salary has to go the Oilers' way for a deal with Phoenex to happen.
Souray for Turris/Mueller + Vendermeer would make more sense from Phoenex perspective.

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To Phoenix: Souray and Cogliano
To Edmonton: Turris and Mueller

Works for both clubs IMO, we shed salary and get a top prospect and we also swap a couple of young players that need changes of scenery. Souray is closer to California and we shed salary while looking to continue to tank. A win/win for everyone involved IMO.
I'd think Edmonton does it in a heartbeat. Phoenix, however, would ask for more as they would be taking on salary and losing time invested. Turris has struggled, but he's still young and has great skill. Mueller is developing into a fantastic two way forward, shutting down San Jose's top scorers to the tune of a single goal against.

Having said that, I don't think we'd need to add much. A second/third round pick and I think it's done on both sides.

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There is no way Phoenex trades both Mueller and Turris. Also some salary has to go the Oilers' way for a deal with Phoenex to happen.
Souray for Turris/Mueller + Vendermeer would make more sense from Phoenex perspective.
Why not? Neither are doing particularly well this year and they are trying their damnedest to make the playoffs.

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I'd think Edmonton does it in a heartbeat. Phoenix, however, would ask for more. Turris has struggled, but he's still young and has great skill. Mueller is developing into a fantastic two way forward, shutting down San Jose's top scorers to the tune of a single goal against.

Having said that, I don't think we'd need to add much. A second/third round pick and I think it's done on both sides.
Or a prospect or Moreau

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Why not? Neither are doing particularly well this year and they are trying their damnedest to make the playoffs.



Or a prospect or Moreau
And I thought I was optimistic

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And I thought I was optimistic

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I just gotta shake my head at any notion that we could get anything but a lump of coal for Horcoff. The contract is bad now--wait till we look at his production in 4 years---then the hate will really be on

Phoenix might consider Cogliano for Mueller

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I just gotta shake my head at any notion that we could get anything but a lump of coal for Horcoff. The contract is bad now--wait till we look at his production in 4 years---then the hate will really be on

Phoenix might consider Cogliano for Mueller
Agreed. Horcoff has negative value in any trade, so the Oilers would be the ones having to further sweeten any deal he's thrown into. Basically figure out an even trade. Then if you want to add Horcoff, you better also add our lottery pick this year, because that's what it will take for another team to take on that contract. Unless we're receiving a bad contract in return, which doesn't do us any good.

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Cogliano and a pick for Peter Mueller.

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Cogliano and a pick for Peter Mueller.
I like Cogliano's effort way better than Mueller.. Prefer to keep our younger players together if possible.

what about Staios, Horcoff and a 5th for Mueller... phoenix has over 12MM in cap space and are headed to the playoffs... 4th in the western conference

They are looking for a veteran Dman ... so Staios and Horcoff .. a 2nd line centre would be good for a playoff run for them... perhaps movionmg them past the first round

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http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx091213.html

What salary could we move to acquire Mueller from Phoenix.. they were looking at chelios so possibly Staios could be part of the package

Horcoff + Staios for Mueller and 2nd?
Why would Phoenix want garbage for Mueller?

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I think mueller or turris would be a great fit for edmonton, but I think they tried hard to get turris at the draft.

Would a souray for turris trade be fair?we lose salary and get a good prospect in return!

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