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01-03-2010, 10:28 PM
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"That's a first-line player"- Ray Bourque on MSP

Probably belongs in the WJC thread, but Ray Bourque was asked by Pierre McGuire about what he of Magnus. Ray apparently said what's in the thread title.

McGuire also threw a fit when MPS was not utilized during that key powerplay.

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01-03-2010, 10:31 PM
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Steal of the draft. I really though we would have 0 chance of taking him.

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Hard to believe the Laffs would take Kadri and the Sens would take Cowen and they both pass on him. Fools.

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I agree, Jared Cowen is looking like an absolutely brutal pick and Scott Glennie...WTF was up with that?

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The Mighty Oil better start looking for a left handed shooting sniper that can play well with go Magnus. Is there anyone one this team now that sounds like that?

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Hard to believe the Laffs would take Kadri and the Sens would take Cowen and they both pass on him. Fools.
When I saw that shake down, I literally starting doing a jig. I couldn't believe how it was all breaking down.

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I just don't see it.

The guy looks amazing off the rush but he just doesn't do much down low. He can't create any offense off the cycle and isn't that good on the PP.

He has great tools (skating, size, shooting, passing) so there is a chance that he becomes a 1st line forward but I just didn't see it in this tournament.

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Hard to believe the Laffs would take Kadri and the Sens would take Cowen and they both pass on him. Fools.
I won't disagree but I will say Kadri looks better than I expected.

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I just don't see it.

The guy looks amazing off the rush but he just doesn't do much down low. He can't create any offense off the cycle and isn't that good on the PP.

He has great tools (skating, size, shooting, passing) so there is a chance that he becomes a 1st line forward but I just didn't see it in this tournament.
The play always seemed to die once he got it off to his linemates. Put him with Hall and Penner, and magic will happen.

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The play always seemed to die once he got it off to his linemates. Put him with Hall and Penner, and magic will happen.

One better put him with Eberle and Hall

MPS-Hall-Eberle


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The play always seemed to die once he got it off to his linemates. Put him with Hall and Penner, and magic will happen.
Ya good point. It's really hard to judge players on teams that aren't Canada because they just don't have the systems or talent around them.

It's a different type of game than the NHL. MPS certainly has the frame to be good on the cycle. Will have to wait until he is in NA to get a better read on him.

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01-03-2010, 10:46 PM
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LOL at mcguire, was he not the guy that said the Oilers and fans need to be patient with him at the draft and now he thinks he is a first line player in the NHL right now. The guy is a walking contradiction.

Not that I disagree with him as Paajarvi does look big fast and skilled and probably could be in the Oiler line up. Another thought anybody thinks it possible for the Oilers to buy his contract out and finish the season in Edmonton? Just dreaming but atleast the fans can get an early look and its not like he would make us much better right now and we could still get a pick.

Like to mention he took a faceoff today and won it cleanly and I started thinking how great it would be to have a Hall-Paajarvi-Eberle line if he can be decent on the draw. We really need to get this kid over so he can transition from the european game to our game.

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Ya good point. It's really hard to judge players on teams that aren't Canada because they just don't have the systems or talent around them.

It's a different type of game than the NHL. MPS certainly has the frame to be good on the cycle. Will have to wait until he is in NA to get a better read on him.
I think the relationship between MPS and Quinn can be one that thrives, because MPS plays a more simplistic game, one that is low risk but still has good reward to it. Its not a Hemsky/Nilsson/Gagner type game, high risk/high reward, MPS tries to conscientiously keep the puck moving forward.

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LOL at mcguire, was he not the guy that said the Oilers and fans need to be patient with him at the draft and now he thinks he is a first line player in the NHL right now. The guy is a walking contradiction.

Not that I disagree with him as Paajarvi does look big fast and skilled and probably could be in the Oiler line up. Another thought anybody thinks it possible for the Oilers to buy his contract out and finish the season in Edmonton? Just dreaming but atleast the fans can get an early look and its not like he would make us much better right now and we could still get a pick.

Like to mention he took a faceoff today and won it cleanly and I started thinking how great it would be to have a Hall-Paajarvi-Eberle line if he can be decent on the draw. We really need to get this kid over so he can transition from the european game to our game.
Nah, no need to waste a year of his entry level right now. Clear out the riff raff and hopefully he'll be free to come over next year, with hopefully, a bunch of new faces.

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One better put him with Eberle and Hall

MPS-Hall-Eberle


Our top 6
MPS-Hall-Eberle
Penner-Gagner-Hemsky


I don't see Hall, Eberle, or Paajarvi-Svensson as a centre. Watching our guys in this tournament has been a treat. Lander and Hartikainen have been impressive too.

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I just don't see it.

The guy looks amazing off the rush but he just doesn't do much down low. He can't create any offense off the cycle and isn't that good on the PP.

He has great tools (skating, size, shooting, passing) so there is a chance that he becomes a 1st line forward but I just didn't see it in this tournament.
You have to remember, though, that this is very much a tournament for players in their second years after the Draft. The scoring leaders are primarily 19-year-olds year with the odd super talent (Tavares) thrown in.

It's the same this year:

1. Derek Stepan- 11 points (1990)
2. Jordan Eberle- 10 points (1990)
3. Paajarvi-Svensson- 9 points (1991)
4. Alex Pietrangelo- 9 points (1990)

MPS has been the same type of player all year in Sweden. It's frankly that scary that on raw talent alone he has been able to get 20 points in a men's league. Imagine how he'll look at 20 years old in a structured system with an extra ten pounds on him and two years of experience. I think that's more what Bourque was referring to.

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I won't disagree but I will say Kadri looks better than I expected.
You must have expected very little from him then.

I could look good playing on Canada's 1st line.

He gives the puck away all the time.

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Hey guys. I really like repeating myself, and I know there isn't like an internet where you can find these things, but Hall plays left-wing. If we draft him he isn't play ing center, he is playing the same position as Penner and Paajarvi.

Also, Schenn looks like a far worse pick than Kadri or Cowen at this point.

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LOL at mcguire, was he not the guy that said the Oilers and fans need to be patient with him at the draft and now he thinks he is a first line player in the NHL right now. The guy is a walking contradiction.

Not that I disagree with him as Paajarvi does look big fast and skilled and probably could be in the Oiler line up. Another thought anybody thinks it possible for the Oilers to buy his contract out and finish the season in Edmonton? Just dreaming but atleast the fans can get an early look and its not like he would make us much better right now and we could still get a pick.

Like to mention he took a faceoff today and won it cleanly and I started thinking how great it would be to have a Hall-Paajarvi-Eberle line if he can be decent on the draw. We really need to get this kid over so he can transition from the european game to our game.
What is McGuire contradicting? It was Bourque who made the 1st line comment and it was refering to his future in the NHL, not now.

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One better put him with Eberle and Hall

MPS-Hall-Eberle


Our top 6
MPS-Hall-Eberle
Penner-Gagner-Hemsky
Pass theres no centerman on the top line

MPS - Gagner - Eberle
Hall - Brule - Hemsky

maybe put Penner on the third line, could be a scoring line with

Omark - Lander - Penner or something like that

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Nah, no need to waste a year of his entry level right now. Clear out the riff raff and hopefully he'll be free to come over next year, with hopefully, a bunch of new faces.
yeah your right but we sure need a guy with his size in the top six. Would really like to now if he could play centre as it would be huge if he could. He has got the size and speed for it. Just imagine for a moment.

Hall-Paajarvi-Eberle

Paajarvi might be the better skater as i noticed Hall tends to lose his footing and is more reckless when he plays. plus Paajarvi is probably the best playmaker out of the other two. We need to finish last and get that pick to get Hall.

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Hey guys. I really like repeating myself, and I know there isn't like an internet where you can find these things, but Hall plays left-wing. If we draft him he isn't play ing center, he is playing the same position as Penner and Paajarvi.

Also, Schenn looks like a far worse pick than Kadri or Cowen at this point.

Taylor Hall can play both Left wing and Center.

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What is McGuire contradicting? It was Bourque who made the 1st line comment and it was refering to his future in the NHL, not now.
"MPS is an ELITE first line player in the NHL right now! And he's playing in this tournament instead of on the Edmonton Oilers! He would be their best player!"

- Pierre Magurie.

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Can Hemsky make the transition to Center?

Hall/MPS - Hemsky - Eberle

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One better put him with Eberle and Hall

MPS-Hall-Eberle


Our top 6
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