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01-04-2010, 01:54 AM
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Trade Penner to Boston for Toronto's 1st pick

Just thinking of the implications makes my head explode...

*Oilers get Penner from Burke and give up: 1st (12th overall), 2nd and 3rd round
picks

*Burke trades the 12th pick to get 3 lower picks and gives Anahiem:

17th Jake Gardiner (Defence) United States....could be the real deal

35th Nicolas Deschamps (Centre) Canada

39th Eric O'Dell (Centre) Canada

Oiler's second gives Anahiem: 43rd Justin Schultz (Defence) Canada

(Anahiem used the Oiler's 3rd pick to get MA Bergeron from the Islanders)

NOW the Oilers trade Penner to boston to get Burke's (Toronto's 1st overall) which likely gets 1 of: Hall Seguin or Fowler

Oilers end up with 2 of the top 3 draft picks this year to go along with Gagner, Paajarvi-Svenson, and Eberle (who the Oilers got as the last Anahiem draft pick for trading Pronger and then Anahiem winning the cup)

I would love to see it happen. For those doubters that think Boston wouldn't trade the 1st for Penner, well they would if they thought Penner and his 30+goals & SC experience was the last piece of the puzzle to win the SC this year.

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Even though Penner has been a beast this season..... I would do it.


I couldn't wait to see Burke's face if Kevin Lowe went up to the podium and said "With Toronto's 3rd overall pick the oiler's select Cam Fowler"

it would be epic.

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01-04-2010, 02:00 AM
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I dont think Boston has the cap space and I dont want to trade Penner unless I am guaranteed one of those three players. So no.

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Two words:

Cap room.

I don't think the Bruins have it.

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would have to be close to the deadline for cap reasons but I would offer penner and Vish for Wheeler/Ryder and tor 1st and 2nd.....Bos has a bit of cap room for next yr and about 2 mill this yr

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I would love to see it happen. For those doubters that think Boston wouldn't trade the 1st for Penner, well they would if they thought Penner and his 30+goals & SC experience was the last piece of the puzzle to win the SC this year.
doubt it.
they just signed Satan and Penner's 4 million is hardly something theyd want to take on for a possible top 5 pick. where do they find the cap space? Penner doesnt even "secure" a cup run anyway.

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01-04-2010, 02:09 AM
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Not going to happen as Boston is not going to trade a potential 1st overall for Penner.

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oil get lucic & leaf 1st for penner & dough (cash)

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doubt it.
they just signed Satan and Penner's 4 million is hardly something theyd want to take on for a possible top 5 pick. where do they find the cap space? Penner doesnt even "secure" a cup run anyway.
Ryder makes only $250K less. He's having another terrible year- 51 goals over the past three years. The Bruins would probably thank us for taking him off their hands.

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Trade that I would like to see would be

To Boston
Dustin Penner
Lubomir Visnovsky'
Andrew Cogliano
2011 First round pick (weak draft)


To Edmonton
Toronto first round pick (One of Hall,Fowler,Seguin)
Joe Colborne
Micheal Ryder
Marco Sturm
Derek Morris


Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
MPS-Colborne-Eberle
Sturm-Brule-Ryder
Jacques-Stone-Stortini

Smid-Souray
Grebeshkov-Fowler
Gilbert-Morris


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colbourne
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tor 1st

for

vish
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Trade that I would like to see would be

To Boston
Dustin Penner
Lubomir Visnovsky'
Andrew Cogliano
2011 First round pick (weak draft)


To Edmonton
Toronto first round pick (One of Hall,Fowler,Seguin)
Joe Colborne
Micheal Ryder
Marco Sturm
Matt Hunwick
4.25+1.13+5.6=10.98 In
4.00+3.5+1.45=8.95 Out

Boston gets another 2.03 in. I think you sub Morris for Hunwick to make the caps work better. It's not the worst deal either. Boston should be in a win-now mode and getting Visnovsky and Penner helps alot. I'm usually terrible at gauging proposals though, you should put that on the main board (with Morris though).

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Ryder makes only $250K less. He's having another terrible year- 51 goals over the past three years. The Bruins would probably thank us for taking him off their hands.
so youd want Ryder to be a "core" player for this team over Penner? and you really think theyd trade a top 5 pick to take Ryder off their hands for Penner? thats beyond dumb. i doubt they make any critical moves like that for Penner. Penner has played great by his standards but for a top 5 pick? nah.

and as much as everyone here wants 9000 draft picks and 20 year old kids on the team over the next 5 years, you still need some vets to anchor the team. having a top 6 of 18-21 year old kids is retarded. thats basically what it would become.

i just cant see why Boston would throw those pics around for a dude who decided to show up at age 27, 3 years into a massive contract. thats almost as lame as Ryder.

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and if toronto suddenly gets hot like the blues last year?
oilers just gave away penner

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Send Vis to Boston for their 1st somehow.

Chara-Visnovsky for them would be a thing of beauty, the Olympic pairing for Slovakia... that would be crazy.

I doubt they're desperate enough to do it though.

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Boston doesn't do this in 10 billion years.

There will be MUCH better options at the deadline than Penner, if they're looking for some extra experience.

Selanne, Tkachuk (Holmstrom and Bertuzzi if Detroit somehow is unable to have a playoff spot locked down by the deadline) are all pending UFA's who could be had for a lot less than a lottery pick, and could provide much more "presence and experience" than Penner without The B's having to worry about a big contract on the books for another 3 seasons.

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Boston doesn't do this in 10 billion years.

There will be MUCH better options at the deadline than Penner, if they're looking for some extra experience.

Selanne, Tkachuk (Holmstrom and Bertuzzi if Detroit somehow is unable to have a playoff spot locked down by the deadline) are all pending UFA's who could be had for a lot less than a lottery pick, and could provide much more "presence and experience" than Penner without The B's having to worry about a big contract on the books for another 3 seasons.
this. Also, I doubt Oilers are all that interested in trading Penner.

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Boston doesn't do this in 10 billion years.

There will be MUCH better options at the deadline than Penner, if they're looking for some extra experience.

Selanne, Tkachuk (Holmstrom and Bertuzzi if Detroit somehow is unable to have a playoff spot locked down by the deadline) are all pending UFA's who could be had for a lot less than a lottery pick, and could provide much more "presence and experience" than Penner without The B's having to worry about a big contract on the books for another 3 seasons.
Personally I think Penner is a disgustingly good fit for Boston, and said as much a few weeks ago around here.

All those players bring more experience to the table than Penner. But hey so does Shawn Horcoff.

As far as presence goes, the far more important aspect imo, Penner blows them all out of the water.

His value has skyrocketed this year, regardless of the recent dropoff. Half the team has already given up starting right with the coach.

The only way I see this deal happening is if Sturm is coming the other way. Boston eats a modest cap increase to obtain infinitely better bang for their buck. Penner/Lucic as your 1/2 LW is an unreal combination of power and skill.

With that in mind though I'd still be looking for a return similar to what Boston got for Kessel. 1st + 1st + Sturm.

Boston really shouldn't be too attached to their draft picks, especially the ones from Toronto. Their window to win is now, and it's pretty clear to me that they're not good enough as is.

This is the exact type of move they should be looking at to try and put them over the top.

And Penner's worth it.

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I don't think the Bruins have it.

i was hoping to use that line

there is a reason why bb traded kessel to TO

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i was hoping to use that line

there is a reason why bb traded kessel to TO
I would think Boston wouldn't mind dumping Ryder to get Penner (they would be going from 16 points to 39 points in Penner, and their salaries are similar)..

I'm sure they would be interested in Penner. Still, I don't think 3 years of Penner is worth close to a top 3 pick -- however I don't actually think it will be a top 3 pick (there is no incentive for the Leafs to tank, whereas I think many other teams will sell all vets near the deadline), so maybe it is a fair trade ?


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Multiple reasons this makes no sense.

Boston doesn't have the room.

Boston has a chance to draft Hall, Seguin or Fowler.

Boston can get a true rental player instead.

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I could see Boston making a big splash for a big name player...not necessarily an Oiler, but a really good player. They haven't won anything in 40 years and can't be perpetually building for "next year"

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Multiple reasons this makes no sense.

Boston doesn't have the room.

Boston has a chance to draft Hall, Seguin or Fowler.

Boston can get a true rental player instead.
Unless we are getting one of those three it doesnt make sense from an Oiler perspective either. Boston is not trading the Toronto first. Period.

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I'd do it in a heart beat...heck throw in Staios or Moreau if they have the cap room and Boston can gives us back some pucks.

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and if toronto suddenly gets hot like the blues last year?
oilers just gave away penner
That will not be an issue, the Leafs are a joke and to make things worse Grabovski is out for the next 6 weeks.

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