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01-04-2010, 11:45 AM
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Marc Staal

Marc Staal goes rfa this summer. Should we try to trade for him or offer sheet him this summer? I know its Sather but hey, we need a guy like this. The Rangers are up against the cap and are vulnerable. What do you think?

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Trade, not offer sheet.

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Trade, not offer sheet.
That would be preferable but the Rangers are not going to want to move him.

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Trade, not offer sheet.
This. You don't trade a top-3 pick for Marc Staal. He's great, don't get me wrong, but not top-3 pick good.


Also, NYR will apparently send down Redden and some other Jobbers. That should open up quite a bit of cap space.

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This. You don't trade a top-3 pick for Marc Staal. He's great, don't get me wrong, but not top-3 pick good.


Also, NYR will apparently send down Redden and some other Jobbers. That should open up quite a bit of cap space.
They would be getting next year's picks. No?

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They would be getting next year's picks. No?
Yup, and I still think we'll be picking in the top-3 next year too.

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They would be getting next year's picks. No?
Yes but if we plan on going with some of the young kids next year eg. eberle, omark, chorney, paajarvi, and are unable to move some of our useless players then it may be a top 3 pick again next year.

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Yes but if we plan on going with some of the young kids next year eg. eberle, omark, chorney, paajarvi, and are unable to move some of our useless players then it may be a top 3 pick again next year.
If its good enough for Burke.................... I doubt we hit top three again next year. If we are relatively healthy and we bring in Hall, Eberle, MPS and get rid of Moreau, Pisani, Comrie, O'Sullivan we will be quite a bit better. A lot better. Oh, and Staal of course, to replace Grebeshkov.

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I don't think we should shoot ourselves in the foot with another offersheet. Especially to a GM who is a viable trading partner. Maybe if the Rangers can Sather.

But seriously, even then I don't think we should. However, that said, I wouldn't mind trading for him, if that were possible.

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If its good enough for Burke.................... I doubt we hit top three again next year. If we are relatively healthy and we bring in Hall, Eberle, MPS and get rid of Moreau, Pisani, Comrie, O'Sullivan we will be quite a bit better. A lot better. Oh, and Staal of course, to replace Grebeshkov.
If indeed we could achieve all that than sure we won't be a top 3 pick but the odds that oilers management achieves in 2 of those things are slim to none.

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If indeed we could achieve all that than sure we won't be a top 3 pick but the odds that oilers management achieves in 2 of those things are slim to none.
Well, as far as the out box goes, Pisani and Comrie are ufa. So that is pretty hard to mess up. Staios and Moreau have one more year left, I would hope they could be moved at the deadline. Maybe an O'Sullivan or Nilsson could be moved at the deadline? Other wise you would have to put either Souray or Visnovsky on the block as a dump to a cap friendly contender or as a package for Stall.

It is doable. Even fric and frac can pull it off.

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Lets just draft Larsson insted, we'll likely have a very good shot at it.

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Lets just draft Larsson insted, we'll very likely have a good shot at it.
I doubt it. Would love it if we did.

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I doubt it. Would love it if we did.
I suppose but, given this team I wouldn’t be all that surprised to be bottom 5 next year. Actually I'd almost hope for it, the oilers needs to get a cuple top 5 picks.

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I wouldn't to pay Staal enough that the Rangers would choose not to match. They would match anything around 3 IMO, so we'd have to go to 4 and that's too much for Staal at this point.

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I suppose but, given this team I wouldn’t be all that surprised to be bottom 5 next year.
me either. in fact, I would almost count on it.

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me either. in fact, I would almost count on it.
Yeah, and in the long run it would probably be better for the team anyway.

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me either. in fact, I would almost count on it.
You think with a healthy Hemsky, Horcoff and Khabibulin (assuming he can even get healthy) and adding Eberle, Hall and MPS we will be a lottery pick next year? I wouldnt count on it. But, that being said, I am not a fan of offer sheets, but I like the player. And the team is up against the wall, and the player is exactly the type we need here.

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Yeah, and in the long run it would probably be better for the team anyway.
I agree, 2 really bad seasons, back to back, 2 top 3 picks, and then the healing can begin. it doesn't mean playoffs right away, but some improvement every year, after next year.

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Well if it is true that Sather might put Redden in the minors trade them Souray/Lubo and Cogs for Staal, Dubinsky, Prospect?

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I would imagine a deal would look something like this:

Visnovsky, Chorney, 3rd in 2010 (~65 OV)

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Rozival, Staal, 4th in 2010 (~105 OV)

Moving up ~ 40 spots in the draft is worthwhile, trading Rozival is worthwhile for the cap space, while trading Staal is not likely at least they get two goods for one bad. Chorney can become their 6th or 7th defencemen and Visnovsky would be their #1 and a good mentor for Del Zotto.

I am sure we would all like to see more coming in for Visnovsky as he is our best player, but the truth is his contract is big and that will limit his value. You can rest assured that we take on a bad contract in the mix, but Staal is young and has good shutdown potential.

Then trade Moreau and Staios for picks.

Next years Oilers:

Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Cogliano-Gagner-Nilsson (if he can keep up his play)
JFJ - Brule - O'Sullivan
Pouliot - Potulny - Stortini

Souray-Gilbert
Staal-Smid
Grebeshkov-Rozival

Khabby
JDD

This team isn't great, but I am not slotting Ebrele or MPS into the lineup because I don't think they are ready. Some of the above players are RFA and I would only consider very short term contracts - if the player doesn't want it put an UFA in his place. I'm talking guys with low interest from other teams (ie. Blair Betts).

The Oilers should focus on getting a respectable AHL franchise together and bring in the top players from there at 23-24 years of age so that they are truly ready to play when brought into the NHL. Some players would obviously make the team around 20 or so if they are of good draft pedigree. The above team would likely be bottom 10 in the league again... but the year after they can consider bringing in Ebrele and MPS.


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You think with a healthy Hemsky, Horcoff and Khabibulin (assuming he can even get healthy) and adding Eberle, Hall and MPS we will be a lottery pick next year? I wouldnt count on it. But, that being said, I am not a fan of offer sheets, but I like the player. And the team is up against the wall, and the player is exactly the type we need here.
Yes but that's assuming that Hemsky starts off in anyway close to typical form, remeber Lacavalier after his shoulder? He could end up spending half or more, heck even the whole season with his timing off. Also I think it's a stretch to think that both Eberle and MPS play here next year or even if either of them play for the Oilers. Then there's Khabibulin staying near healthly, Souray not digressing more then he is this year after that hit... It goes on and on.

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You think with a healthy Hemsky, Horcoff and Khabibulin (assuming he can even get healthy) and adding Eberle, Hall and MPS we will be a lottery pick next year? I wouldnt count on it. But, that being said, I am not a fan of offer sheets, but I like the player. And the team is up against the wall, and the player is exactly the type we need here.
One: it's not like we have Hall all sealed up... not sure why everyone is assuming we do.

Two: IMO Ebrele and MPS would be better off in the AHL and SEL respectively. No need to bring them into a complete disaster team.

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I don't think the Rangers would be willing to trade him and I don't think the Oilers are in a position to put our draft picks in peril, especially the 1st round pick.

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You think with a healthy Hemsky, Horcoff and Khabibulin (assuming he can even get healthy) and adding Eberle, Hall and MPS we will be a lottery pick next year? I wouldnt count on it. But, that being said, I am not a fan of offer sheets, but I like the player. And the team is up against the wall, and the player is exactly the type we need here.
injuries happen, i wouldn't count on a totally healthy team next year either. I'm assuming that at least one of Vish or Souray is gone, and maybe Grebs as well. Hall isn't an Oiler yet, first we have to finish in the bottom and then we have to win the lottery, nothing is set in stone yet. I also wouldn't play Hall in the NHL if we got him, I wish he could go to the AHL, but he can't, so I'd give him 9 NHL games, then juniors, world juniors, and hopefully a mem cup. He needs to mature physically IMO before he plays in the NHL. I think MPS will play one more year in SEL and another world juniors. Eberle, I do see playing, we'll see how good he is. Khabi is never healthy, he has a bad back and sweating problem, he's never been a work horse. At his age, at best, we can hope for around 50 games, and to me, that's pushing it. The body breaks down with age, he's not getting any younger. Horcoff needs surgery again IMO, his play has dropped off so much it's crazy, I hope he gets it, and is back to his old self in a year and half from now. When this team was healthy, they were a bubble team at best, with a few deletions and inevitable injuries, this team could easily be back in the bottom 3. This is a strong league, not a whole lot of bottom feeders anymore, the worst team right now, has a better roster than the Oil IMO. The Leafs are getting better (full year of Kessel, Schenn, Kadri, the Monster), the Isles are getting better (Tavares a year older), there are not a whole lot of teams in a free fall right now, you don't need to finish with 26 points to be last anymore. A team that finishes with 60 points, can be in the bottom 3, that's where I see the Oil over the next couple seasons.

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