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01-04-2010, 07:40 PM
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Anaheim and St. Louis

To Anaheim:
David Backes

To St. Louis:
Luca Sbisa
Ryan Carter
2010 2nd
2011 1st

Too much from Anaheim?

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01-04-2010, 07:49 PM
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We have enough defensive prospect. No need for another grinder in Carter, and unless the first is THIS year, which you dont have, no thanks.

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01-04-2010, 07:54 PM
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yeah...that package doesn't appeal to STL at all. Backes offers a rare combination of size, hitting and scoring which isn't easy to find...the Blues won't be moving him any time soon, let alone for a collection of lesser parts.

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01-04-2010, 07:55 PM
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We have enough defensive prospect. No need for another grinder in Carter, and unless the first is THIS year, which you dont have, no thanks.
Asking a re-tooling/re-building team to move an impending lottery pick (at least currently) is just asinine. The second round pick would likely be a top 35-40 pick, which is not much different than a late-1st that you would be getting from a contending team.

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01-04-2010, 08:03 PM
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Asking a re-tooling/re-building team to move an impending lottery pick (at least currently) is just asinine. The second round pick would likely be a top 35-40 pick, which is not much different than a late-1st that you would be getting from a contending team.
If its the 40th overall pick, its more a mid 2nd round pick actually.

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01-04-2010, 08:12 PM
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If its the 40th overall pick, its more a mid 2nd round pick actually.
The 40th overall pick is more like an early second rounder actually. But again, the Ducks currently sit at 26th overall in the league. Assuming they sell off some valuable pieces at the deadline, I don't think they'll be finishing any higher than 22nd or 23rd.

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We have enough defensive prospect. No need for another grinder in Carter, and unless the first is THIS year, which you dont have, no thanks.
We don't? Did we forget it on the bus or something...?

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01-04-2010, 08:14 PM
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Asking a re-tooling/re-building team to move an impending lottery pick (at least currently) is just asinine. The second round pick would likely be a top 35-40 pick, which is not much different than a late-1st that you would be getting from a contending team.
Asking a team that is retooling/rebuilding to trade a piece of its core for Junk they don't need is Ignorant.

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01-04-2010, 08:15 PM
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Asking a re-tooling/re-building team to move an impending lottery pick (at least currently) is just asinine. The second round pick would likely be a top 35-40 pick, which is not much different than a late-1st that you would be getting from a contending team.
Asking a team that is retooling/rebuilding to trade a piece of its core, that is signed to a good contract, for Junk they don't need is even more asinine.

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Asking a team that is retooling/rebuilding to trade a piece of its core for Junk they don't need is Ignorant.
Easy there. The package is far, far from junk. I would actually consider it overpayment and would not do that deal from the Ducks point of view. Given the Blues' needs I agree that they would probably decline it as well, though. They just aren't great partners for that kind of trade right now.

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01-04-2010, 08:29 PM
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What would it take to get Lupul and/or Palmieri? Thats about all the Blues would see of value to our team IMO.

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01-04-2010, 08:33 PM
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Asking a team that is retooling/rebuilding to trade a piece of its core for Junk they don't need is Ignorant.
Hmm.

A top-prospect is junk?
A young checking line forward is junk?
An early second is junk?
A first is junk?

WTF. That is all.

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What would it take to get Lupul and/or Palmieri? Thats about all the Blues would see of value to our team IMO.
Lupul won't be moved unless another GM wants to massively overpay.

I'm sure Palmieri could be had for the right price.

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01-04-2010, 08:41 PM
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Lupul won't be moved unless another GM wants to massively overpay.

I'm sure Palmieri could be had for the right price.
I can't see a reason why we would be trade partners honestly. Noting really makes sense. Pretty much no reason to continue on IMO.

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Lupul won't be moved unless another GM wants to massively overpay.

I'm sure Palmieri could be had for the right price.
I would love Palmieri. He's who I wanted in the draft and he's proving his worth. at what price?

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01-04-2010, 09:05 PM
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I would love Palmieri. He's who I wanted in the draft and he's proving his worth. at what price?
I don't really know how well CBJ would match up with the Ducks in a trade, but put something together.

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Lupul won't be moved unless another GM wants to massively overpay.

I'm sure Palmieri could be had for the right price.
you sure you don't have those names backwards?
Palmieri is almost untouchable and lupul could easily be had for the right price.

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01-04-2010, 09:19 PM
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you sure you don't have those names backwards?
Palmieri is almost untouchable and lupul could easily be had for the right price.
What's the "right price" for Lupul? He's more valuable to the Ducks than he would be in a trade. Murray won't move him unless another team wants to overpay.

Palmieri has enjoyed a nice little coming out party at this year's WJC. He's still a couple years away from his NHL debut and Murray would be dumb not to at least listen to offers for him. Look, I don't want to see him moved by any means, but I certainly wouldn't mind if he were to fetch a top-4 defenseman.

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What's the "right price" for Lupul? He's more valuable to the Ducks than he would be in a trade. Murray won't move him unless another team wants to overpay.

Palmieri has enjoyed a nice little coming out party at this year's WJC. He's still a couple years away from his NHL debut and Murray would be dumb not to at least listen to offers for him. Look, I don't want to see him moved by any means, but I certainly wouldn't mind if he were to fetch a top-4 defenseman.
I couldn't have said any better. That is exactly how the Blues feel about Backes. So come back with an offer that would be overpayment. And not draft picks, we as an organization are beyond the the point of collecting multiple draft picks to build the franchise. We have a solid foundation, not we need to start fine tuning it to get where we need to be.

An personally I wouldn't trade Backes to Anaheim, unless a guy named Getzlaf was coming back to the Blues. But we both know that is not going to happen, so this not going to go anywhere. So good luck to your team.

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I couldn't have said any better. That is exactly how the Blues feel about Backes. So come back with an offer that would be overpayment. And not draft picks, we as an organization are beyond the the point of collecting multiple draft picks to build the franchise. We have a solid foundation, not we need to start fine tuning it to get where we need to be.

An personally I wouldn't trade Backes to Anaheim, unless a guy named Getzlaf was coming back to the Blues. But we both know that is not going to happen, so this not going to go anywhere. So good luck to your team.
That is an overpayment by the Ducks.

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To Anaheim:
David Backes

To St. Louis:
Luca Sbisa
Ryan Carter
2010 2nd
2011 1st

Too much from Anaheim?
Your package is certainly not junk, but it isn't what the Blues need right now. They need an elite forward. So the only way I see them parting with Backes is if Getzlaf, Perry, or Anaheim's 2010 1st round pick is coming back. That's all Anaheim has that the Blues have any need for. And I seriously doubt they would part with any of those three, so perhaps the Ducks and Blues aren't good trading partners.

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Your package is certainly not junk, but it isn't what the Blues need right now. They need an elite forward. So the only way I see them parting with Backes is if Getzlaf, Perry, or Anaheim's 2010 1st round pick is coming back. That's all Anaheim has that the Blues have any need for. And I seriously doubt they would part with any of those three, so perhaps the Ducks and Blues aren't good trading partners.
I can respect that. I guess Backes to Anaheim just isn't going to work.

May I inquire about Boyes or Perron? What would it take?

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I can respect that. I guess Backes to Anaheim just isn't going to work.

May I inquire about Boyes or Perron? What would it take?
Most fans want Boyes gone. One bad start to the season and everyone forgets his 40 and 30 goal seasons... Boyes is not what is wrong with the team. I think he was a victim of Andy Murray anyway. He's getting over analyzed by fans because he hasn't scored 20 goals yet. He does lead the team in points with 9 goals, 19 assists for 28 points in 41 games. It is time for him to turn it up though, this can't continue for much longer. Especially with only 2 PP goals! New coach should help.

The two teams just aren't good trading partners. Ducks won't trade Perry or Getzlaf and Blues won't trade quality for quantity(unless precursor for an inevitable Staal/Kovalchuk trade). Lupul for Boyes straight up? maybe, but personally I'd keep Boyes. Lupul is hurt anyway...

And Perron isn't going for anyone other than Perry or Getz. Outside chance of a Bobby Ryan for Perron? Could be. Prolly a pick/prospect/player in there somewhere.

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Anaheim doesnt need wingers anyway, they need a legit 2nd line center.

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We don't? Did we forget it on the bus or something...?
Wow, my mind is screwy today, ignore that comment.

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Anaheim doesnt need wingers anyway, they need a legit 2nd line center.
Backes has been the Blues top line center and has played center pretty much all of last season too.

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