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01-05-2010, 12:36 AM
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I understand some of you are frustrated with this team and organization, but it should be painfully obvious what direction this team is going in.

In one thread, everyone's down for a dive for top 5, cheering on the losses and the next it's "screw tambo, screw lowe. changing the system? scoff. mact this quinn that."

I'd be down with the team going on vacation right now. I don't see anything wrong with trying to keep moral up while the season gets written off. We're gonna be getting a pretty good consolation prize here anyway.

I know many of the fans can't handle one season, but we'd be the first Canadian franchise to do so since Ottawa, I believe. And trust me, almost every Canadian team needs an entire retooling. Not one can compete with Detroit, Chicago or Pittsburgh.

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01-05-2010, 12:38 AM
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Cloned himself knows he told me nearly 100 times how much improved the Oilers would be with Quinn at the helm. He actually got frustrated that I wouldn't even consider it.

I think the first time I ever got Cloned upset on the board(well probably not) was me not buying in one iota.

My outlook on this club this year was bleak and I didn't see Quinn hockey being the answer here with this bunch.

Cloned can certainly vouch for this.
Certainly Cloned didnt think that was all that stood between us and glory. I get a little tired of people trying to twist statements so they can pump their tires. I felt there would be improvement, but this team is too fragile to overcome injuries to key areas. I certainly never said that was the only thing we needed to change. The biggest problem we have is in net. That is on management. JDD has been a pleasant surprise overall but games like that last one are not acceptable for a starting goalie (which he is now). All this with an even playing field. How can you have a capped out team in 29th place? Cripes. It just burns me.

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01-05-2010, 12:47 AM
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Certainly Cloned didnt think that was all that stood between us and glory. I get a little tired of people trying to twist statements so they can pump their tires. I felt there would be improvement, but this team is too fragile to overcome injuries to key areas. I certainly never said that was the only thing we needed to change. The biggest problem we have is in net. That is on management. JDD has been a pleasant surprise overall but games like that last one are not acceptable for a starting goalie (which he is now). All this with an even playing field. How can you have a capped out team in 29th place? Cripes. It just burns me.
No, I think your take was balanced and reasonable from the start. You had realistic impressions of what this team was capable of. But I think most of the board somehow figured there would be improvement.

Almost automatic improvement. The optimism was unbridled in August. I'd far prefer cheering for a club we can be optimistic about DURING the season.

I don't even remember what thats like.

meh I'm pissed, I expect hockey to be one worthwhile distraction in Edmonton in January and February.

Its sad that every year its academic by then.

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01-05-2010, 12:48 AM
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Brutal headline, since the article states the exact opposite.

Seems like something Sue French from CTV Calgary would come up with.
Was about to say, the article title is 180 from what the article actually says. *sigh* ahhhh media.

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01-05-2010, 12:52 AM
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As much as I butt heads with Replacement, I'll vouch for his assessment of the discussions with Cloned. Cloned was exceptionally optimistic about the improvements that would come with Quinn (that isn't a criticism of Cloned either).

Personally I thought that Replacement was dragging his feet too much in that discussion too, but given my position of letting MacTavish go was due to a vague "It's time for a change" rather than an indictment of MacTavish's abilities as a coach, I was pretty neutral (and hopeful) to the coaching change.

I have felt that this team's psyche is fragile for the past couple of seasons, and have refused to make any predictions on where the Oilers would finish on the season because to me I see a team that can play quite well when things are clicking, and one that can just as easily struggle mightily and play itself into a funk.


Given that most people seem to want a write off season, Quinn's decision isn't really one to get upset about. Go back to some basic fundamentals and learn to build from there. Perhaps as the simple plays get easier for the team, the ability to practice (and later implement in games) less robotic play will come from this.

At the same time, I think it's just as easy to pin this on the entire team (young players, and veterans), rather than simply hang the veterans out to dry for being unable to play Quinn's style.

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01-05-2010, 02:07 AM
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the headline tells me the media is now against the oilers after NYE and if they walk funny--it will brought up

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01-05-2010, 02:40 AM
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the headline tells me the media is now against the oilers after NYE and if they walk funny--it will brought up
agreed

either that or they had teh article printed up 3 months ago for print today assuming that they would actually go on vacation...then changed everything because of circumstance, but forgot to change the headline....sound plausible??

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01-05-2010, 02:44 AM
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If he is saying what this article says, this is very disappointing and disturbing to say the least.
+1 very much so.

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No, I think your take was balanced and reasonable from the start. You had realistic impressions of what this team was capable of. But I think most of the board somehow figured there would be improvement.

Almost automatic improvement. The optimism was unbridled in August. I'd far prefer cheering for a club we can be optimistic about DURING the season.

I don't even remember what thats like.

meh I'm pissed, I expect hockey to be one worthwhile distraction in Edmonton in January and February.

Its sad that every year its academic by then.
Replacement, I was one of those, I honestly believed a coaching change would translate into more wins for this franchise. I admit I have been beyond pissed as this season has whittled away however apathy has set in for me now. Whats the point of cheering for a franchise that accepts mediocrity.

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01-05-2010, 02:59 AM
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I'm not sure coaching has anything to do with Hemsky (the best Oiler) and Khabby (the #1 goalie) being out of the lineup longterm. Comrie? Horcoff playing hurt....again.

Can't put that on the coaches.

It is clearly very deflating to the entire organization. Top to bottom.

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01-05-2010, 03:06 AM
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Well, I didn't think it was going to be all sunshine and lollipops this year, but I will admit that I was more optimistic than some others.

Although, if you dig back even farther, you'll see another thread that I started where I adopted a fairly pessimistic opinion of this team, professing that this roster wasn't good enough to be a serious contender. I thought that we were good enough for a bubble spot, especially because the team was basically in a playoff spot until the last 2 weeks of last season - with a better coach I thought it would be enough to keep us in the running but it turns out I was wrong even about the last part.

I still think the coaching change was a good thing because now at least we have a coach that admits things are wrong and isn't afraid to make all the players take responsibility for it. Whether they do or not is another matter, but at least the intent is there now.

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01-05-2010, 03:13 AM
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Year isn't over. We're all crying in our pantaloons now, but as has always been the case, this was going to be a year of ups and downs.

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01-05-2010, 03:25 AM
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If we change the system to a trap it may guarantee us a top three pick or put us on a winning streak and maybe make the playoffs but probably not. Not sure if its a good thing or a bad thing but its scary thing to do mid season. Guess we well find out.

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These are the types of articles I am tired of as an Oiler fan and they've become all to familiar in the last 5 or 6 years. If the Oilers were playing well, all this wouldn't be an issue. Mini-camp in the middle of the season? LOL. I see why Quinn is doing it and I'm glad they canceled the trip.

The problem I have though is that part of the problem for this team is upper-management. What will their punishment be?

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01-05-2010, 07:15 AM
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The problem is that the old way of doing things didnt produce results, and now we are going back to it because the players are incapable of doing it another way. This team is garbage.
in case you hadnt noticed the team has been employing a 1-2-2 on the initial forecheck for much of the season, unless the first guy miraculously gets deep enough to put on some puck pressure then maybe the second guy will come in.

Thats singles one of the bigger problems, there arent enough guys with the heart and willingness to get deep and put it on the line to retrieve the puck.

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I don't see what everybody is so up in arms about, this will only enhance the possibilities of getting a top 3 pick.

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I'm not sure coaching has anything to do with Hemsky (the best Oiler) and Khabby (the #1 goalie) being out of the lineup longterm. Comrie? Horcoff playing hurt....again.

Can't put that on the coaches.

It is clearly very deflating to the entire organization. Top to bottom.
And you can put alot of what's happened the 3 previous years on the coaching? There's been injuries, a large number of rookies, lack of depth... the same things plaguing this team plagued those ones as well.

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And you can put alot of what's happened the 3 previous years on the coaching? There's been injuries, a large number of rookies, lack of depth... the same things plaguing this team plagued those ones as well.
Over 240 man games lost to injury this season and counting....

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And you can put alot of what's happened the 3 previous years on the coaching? There's been injuries, a large number of rookies, lack of depth... the same things plaguing this team plagued those ones as well.
Mactavish never had a rose garden either but he never was faced with something like this. Especially in his first year here.

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Over 240 man games lost to injury this season and counting....
And how many were lost in 06-07?

Even if this team had stayed relatively healthy, where would they be? 10th? Is that really any different than last year or the year before?

The players on this team haven't been good enough for several years now... the injuries just provide a convenient excuse to say "When we are healthy next year, watch out!".

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Mactavish never had a rose garden either but he never was faced with something like this. Especially in his first year here.
06-07 ring a bell?

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Quinn should be getting more out of these guys or that he's somehow at fault.

I'm saying coaching hasn't been the problem with this team over the past few years... the roster has been.

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06-07 ring a bell?

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Quinn should be getting more out of these guys or that he's somehow at fault.

I'm saying coaching hasn't been the problem with this team over the past few years... the roster has been.
Then you would be wrong. Coaching wasnt the problem. But it was one of the problems. The roster is one. Player development was one. Management is another. Until the last one gets fixed, the other three wont matter. I dont have much hope of it being addressed either.

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Then you would be wrong. Coaching wasnt the problem. But it was one of the problems. The roster is one. Player development was one. Management is another. Until the last one gets fixed, the other three wont matter. I dont have much hope of it being addressed either.
What about this season compared to the other seasons makes me wrong?

Coaching certainly wasn't one of the problems, as it seems pretty clear that the previous coaching was getting as much out of the group on the whole as this coaching staff.

There's individual players who fall one way or the other, but in terms of overall performance, there isn't much seperating them.

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What about this season compared to the other seasons makes me wrong?

Coaching certainly wasn't one of the problems, as it seems pretty clear that the previous coaching was getting as much out of the group on the whole as this coaching staff.

There's individual players who fall one way or the other, but in terms of overall performance, there isn't much seperating them.
You cant make that distinction based on what Quinn has had to work with. Mactavish never faced anything as bad as this for as long as this. We dont really know what Quinn has been or has not been able to do with this team because he hasnt had them together long enough for us to make any proper evaluation.

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