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01-05-2010, 11:09 PM
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Team USA WJ GOLD BABY GOLD!!!!

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Great victory for the US. Obviously I missed it since I was @ the Preds game tonight.

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Yay! Congrats US! Unfortunetly I missed it because it wasn't on TV here.
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I didn't go to the Preds game tonight and stayed home and watched this. Honestly I didn't even catch hardly any of the Preds game but it was worth it. It would have been hard to top the New years eve game but USA and Canada did it. An epic. Refs tried to give the game to Canada. Ryan Ellis gave the puck away on a awful turnover late in third. He unfortunately has done that a few times this tourney. Disappointing tourney for Ellis for sure. The USA player shot the puck and the Canadian goalie made the save. Then Ellis pushes the USA player right into his own goalie and the ref calls it goalie interference. Canada, which was dead in the water until that call, scores on the PP and gets a huge momentum burst. YOu could literally see in a matter of a minute the game go from heavily tilted in the US's favor to heavily tilted in Canada's favor.

In the end though John Carlson won the game on a 2 on 1 for the good guys. I've heard a lot of hyping up of Carlson here by Capitals fans and you know how it goes here every fan base overhypes their prospects but the hype for Carlson is legit. As is the hype with Fowler. HE will go 2 or 3. Ellis's play in this tourney defiently concerns me. Time will tell if that was the right pick. Kreider looked great for the U.S...........

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As much as i hate it it was a great game. Congrats USA but Ellis wasnt horrible this tourney he was decent. He plays much better as all the scouts would say. Many think he has an nhl skill set right now. Great game watched it at work and all of us started yelling when Canada tied it. anyway congrats on the victory we will get it back at the olympics dont worry

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Woooooo!

That goal was unbelievable. He didn't even look at the goalie, he looked pass all the way and then shot it blindly into the net!

There are not enough smilies to express how I feel!

I was at the Preds game but during the intermission people would go down by the media room and try to see the score. This game of course was on the same timeline as the Preds, both at intermissions at the same time. After the Preds game they put this game on the big TV at the club. It came on about 2 minutes into OT. I couldn't actually tell that USA scored for a second until I saw one guy go by jumping up and down. When they scored everyone jumped up and one guy was screaming USA USA USA! It was awesome!!!


That's two golds (both over Canada!)...come on NHLers, make it three!!!!!

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Yeah I was at the Preds game as well. Season tickets in 325. Its a shame I was at a hockey game and all the Tvs that are around were only showing football. I only heard about USA winning on the way home. I thought football was over with.

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Ellis's play in this tourney defiently concerns me. Time will tell if that was the right pick.
But didn't he also QB a Canadian PP that chugged along at a 37.5% clip? In addition, he was the second highest scoring D behind AP.

Regardless, I'd be careful to judge too much based on any international tournament. I think we on this board tend to exaggerate the impact of such a tournament on a player's stock. But the components of these tournaments don't necessarily parallel the NHL game in the way the CHL or NCAA games do.

Sure, it is the best on best of the respective age groups. But it's a group of players, typically unfamiliar with each other and their system, playing in a unique environment. Even Ovechkin has had a lackluster WJC or two in his day.

Iím not saying that Ellis will or wonít be a bust, just that we need to be careful reading too much into a playerís performance in these tournaments.

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I agree. I know people thought Marc-Andre Fleury wasn't going to be a big time goalie when he lost to USA in 04. He seems to be doing alright now.

While Ellis wasn't the best player on the ice against the US, I noticed as many good plays as bad ones. Watching him QB the PP does have me excited for what could be someday.

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You know it. Just moved back to Nashville and with the free time from the holidays, thought I would get reacquainted with the board.

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You know it. Just moved back to Nashville and with the free time from the holidays, thought I would get reacquainted with the board.
We've actually picked up quite a bit since you left...some really good new posters...

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Iím not saying that Ellis will or wonít be a bust, just that we need to be careful reading too much into a playerís performance in these tournaments.
I wasn't big on the pick. Felt Ellis had too limited upside. (A PP specialist? Really?)

And I was a bit down on his world junior performance. (Some very loose passes, and he also seemed to be skated around a bit much) Until Palmieri got the penalty when he plowed into the goalie and during the whining by the USA fans that he was pushed in by Ellis, a poster whined that some "giant dude" pushed him. So he must actually be bigger and tougher than he looks to my eyes.

Hopefully he'll pay off. He does have good skills handling the puck.

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There's no coincidence there. I'm confident my pig-headed, anti-Blue Jackets ways ran off plenty of quality posters.

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well welcome back.

Jacketracket disappeared about the same time you left, wonder if that was a coincidence?

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But didn't he also QB a Canadian PP that chugged along at a 37.5% clip? In addition, he was the second highest scoring D behind AP.
Fourteen of their fifteen power play goals came against Latvia, Slovakia, and Switzerland, and Ellis got seven of his eight points against those three teams. When they played the Americans, the only legitimately good team they faced all tournament, Ellis turned the puck over regularly and did not play well at all.

I still maintain a "believe it when I see it" stance with Ellis. I was not a fan of the pick at all last June (I even called him "the one player Nashville should avoid"), and I definitely am not after seeing him get exposed every other shift by a team with NHL skating ability.

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Fourteen of their fifteen power play goals came against Latvia, Slovakia, and Switzerland, and Ellis got seven of his eight points against those three teams. When they played the Americans, the only legitimately good team they faced all tournament, Ellis turned the puck over regularly and did not play well at all.

I still maintain a "believe it when I see it" stance with Ellis. I was not a fan of the pick at all last June (I even called him "the one player Nashville should avoid"), and I definitely am not after seeing him get exposed every other shift by a team with NHL skating ability.
I think he was the BPA, but at the same time, I think that we should have tried our darned-est to move up, especially when MPS fell as far as he did. At this point, I'm not sure Chris Kreider wouldn't have been a better pick for us.

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Well if they lock down Suter and Weber long term at some point, maybe Ellis won't even make it to Nashville and he could be moved at some point in a playoff run. I know that is really looking ahead but even if he doesn't become a top line defenseman, surely he would have value as a PP QB to someone

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I wasn't big on the pick. Felt Ellis had too limited upside. (A PP specialist? Really?)

And I was a bit down on his world junior performance. (Some very loose passes, and he also seemed to be skated around a bit much) Until Palmieri got the penalty when he plowed into the goalie and during the whining by the USA fans that he was pushed in by Ellis, a poster whined that some "giant dude" pushed him. So he must actually be bigger and tougher than he looks to my eyes.

Hopefully he'll pay off. He does have good skills handling the puck.
I wasn't a huge fan either. But I do tend to give Poile and his team some benefit of the doubt on drafting defensemen. Last time I really doubted Poile regarding a defenseman was with Conando [I think that's his name now] and Volzok sitting in section 120 as the Predators drafted some kid named Shay Webber, who wasn't even listed in TSN's top 60 for the draft. I loved the Glazachev and Stehlik picks, btw.

As an aside, having been gone so long, I missed the inevitable conversation regarding Suter and Dion Phaneuf. I remember Flames fans attacking Predators fans who suggested that Weber was actually as good if not better. Funny that, to me, Suter has been better than both Weber and Phaneuf for what feels like a calendar year. Anybody have thoughts?

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Anybody have thoughts?
And don't forget that super-sexy prospect Tim Ramholt who is just as good as Weber, don't you know!

Seriously, though, Suter has been one of our best defensemen for quite awhile. He was our go-to dman in TOI down the stretch in both of the last playoff runs AND, has been clearly the best dman on the ice for us this season. I just hope we are able to resign him, as we inexplicably let his contract buy up zero years of free agency.....

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But didn't he also QB a Canadian PP that chugged along at a 37.5% clip? In addition, he was the second highest scoring D behind AP.

Regardless, I'd be careful to judge too much based on any international tournament. I think we on this board tend to exaggerate the impact of such a tournament on a player's stock. But the components of these tournaments don't necessarily parallel the NHL game in the way the CHL or NCAA games do.

Sure, it is the best on best of the respective age groups. But it's a group of players, typically unfamiliar with each other and their system, playing in a unique environment. Even Ovechkin has had a lackluster WJC or two in his day.

I’m not saying that Ellis will or won’t be a bust, just that we need to be careful reading too much into a player’s performance in these tournaments.
To be fair, I only watched pieces of Canada's other games. Mabye Ellis was good in those games. However, the U.S. was the only team Canada played that could legitimately challenge Canada and Ellis struggled in both games. THe first game Ellis was flat out awful. Last night I thought he stuck out as having a bad game again. I understand it's a short tourney but when Ellis played against a high level of competition he stuck out as being bad to me in two games. It wouldv'e been one thing if he was not making an impact and was just average but to me he actually stuck out as one of the worst Canadian D in both games. I'm not doubting his ability to move the puck or run the PP. It's the other facets of the game I was concerned with.

I'm certainly not calling him a bust or anything like that. A lot of these players still have much growing to do. HOwever when one of your star prospects performs much better at the WJC in his draft year than he did the year after he is drafted I think you would have to be blind not to evaluate him on the biggest stage possible he can play on right now.

To me it looks like Ellis is done growing and I do have a hard time wondering how he will handle NHL forwards that are much faster, stronger and smarter than anything he has faced this past couple weeks.


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I wasn't a huge fan either. But I do tend to give Poile and his team some benefit of the doubt on drafting defensemen. Last time I really doubted Poile regarding a defenseman was with Conando [I think that's his name now] and Volzok sitting in section 120 as the Predators drafted some kid named Shay Webber, who wasn't even listed in TSN's top 60 for the draft. I loved the Glazachev and Stehlik picks, btw.

As an aside, having been gone so long, I missed the inevitable conversation regarding Suter and Dion Phaneuf. I remember Flames fans attacking Predators fans who suggested that Weber was actually as good if not better. Funny that, to me, Suter has been better than both Weber and Phaneuf for what feels like a calendar year. Anybody have thoughts?

3-4 years ago Poile was being bashed relentlessly for taking Suter over Phaneuf. Now he's a genius.

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Fourteen of their fifteen power play goals came against Latvia, Slovakia, and Switzerland, and Ellis got seven of his eight points against those three teams. When they played the Americans, the only legitimately good team they faced all tournament, Ellis turned the puck over regularly and did not play well at all.

I still maintain a "believe it when I see it" stance with Ellis. I was not a fan of the pick at all last June (I even called him "the one player Nashville should avoid"), and I definitely am not after seeing him get exposed every other shift by a team with NHL skating ability.
Worst brings up a good point. Not only will Ellis be dealing with Size issues his whole career but his skating, at least right now, is sub par. Of course that is an area that can always be improved with good instruction and hard work.

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I wasn't big on the pick. Felt Ellis had too limited upside. (A PP specialist? Really?)
Have you seen our power play? it's atrocious. I wasn't big on picking Ellis either, but knowing our Gm we are probably safe with Ellis.

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3-4 years ago Poile was being bashed relentlessly for taking Suter over Phaneuf. Now he's a genius.
It's been both a testament to Suter's maturation and improvement (man was he disappointing his first few years) combined with Phaneuf's development plateau. Is he going the way of Ed Jovanovski?

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