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01-06-2010, 04:51 PM
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I wasn't big on the pick. Felt Ellis had too limited upside. (A PP specialist? Really?)

And I was a bit down on his world junior performance. (SOME VERY LOOSE PASSES, and he also seemed to be SKATED AROUND a bit much) Until Palmieri got the penalty when he plowed into the goalie and during the whining by the USA fans that he was pushed in by Ellis, a poster whined that some "giant dude" pushed him. So he must actually be bigger and tougher than he looks to my eyes.

Hopefully he'll pay off. He does have good skills handling the puck.
Sounds like a perfect fit in Nashville.

I have even seen that happen to my favorite Defensemen Weber more then I'd like to admit this year alone.

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Have you seen our power play? it's atrocious. I wasn't big on picking Ellis either, but knowing our Gm we are probably safe with Ellis.
So Ellis just hangs around on the bench until we get a powerplay? Or is that when he makes up the goal we lost when someone bigger or faster got by him and scored? Hey, if he can score enough, fine. There's always room for scorers.

Back on topic. I guess I never said congrats to the juniors on their gold medal and...

USA! USA! WHOO!

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Well one of the great things about draft discussion is it takes years to find out who was right. If I recall the '03 draft correctly, the highest ranked defenseman was Coburn with a toss up between Suter and Phaneuf. Everyone develops different. Maybe Ellis having sub par games against the USA will be a starting point to get him to work harder and improve his game. While WJC is a big stage, I still think it is a great learning ground and we will see how Ellis responds.

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Well one of the great things about draft discussion is it takes years to find out who was right. If I recall the '03 draft correctly, the highest ranked defenseman was Coburn with a toss up between Suter and Phaneuf. Everyone develops different. Maybe Ellis having sub par games against the USA will be a starting point to get him to work harder and improve his game. While WJC is a big stage, I still think it is a great learning ground and we will see how Ellis responds.
My avatar at the time was a picture of Coburn, imploring Poile to pick him. The next year it was Kyle Chipchura.

I'd make a bad GM.

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Well one of the great things about draft discussion is it takes years to find out who was right. If I recall the '03 draft correctly, the highest ranked defenseman was Coburn with a toss up between Suter and Phaneuf. Everyone develops different. Maybe Ellis having sub par games against the USA will be a starting point to get him to work harder and improve his game. While WJC is a big stage, I still think it is a great learning ground and we will see how Ellis responds.
I remember running into Coburn as we were walking into the arena that morning and hoping the Preds would select him. I do think his career would have turned out better had he not been drafted by Atlanta.

I remember being right about one thing and one thing only: Hugh Jessiman would be a bust. And that was based solely on this stat or some derivation of it: There are zero forwards at 6'5" or greater that are good NHLers that were drafted outside of the top 10 in the entry draft.

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I think he was the BPA, but at the same time, I think that we should have tried our darned-est to move up, especially when MPS fell as far as he did. At this point, I'm not sure Chris Kreider wouldn't have been a better pick for us.
BPA was Kulikov, who I would have rather had if we were going to pick a defenseman, but that would never happen because Poile has become a huge russophobe over the last half-decade.

I thought for sure we were going to take Schroeder because of the Wilson/USA connections. Just about everyone did. In hindsight, we could have reached a bit and gotten Peter Holland, which would give us three players in Guelph's top six.

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Back in Taiwan but I was able to watch the game on TV.

Don't really know what to say other than WOOOO. Great win for the USA and especially as they were playing Canada IN Canada.

Now let's get a gold in the Olympics!

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As much as i hate it it was a great game. Congrats USA but Ellis wasnt horrible this tourney he was decent. He plays much better as all the scouts would say. Many think he has an nhl skill set right now. Great game watched it at work and all of us started yelling when Canada tied it. anyway congrats on the victory we will get it back at the olympics dont worry
very well said...Ellis has the all the intangibles..
he has to refine his game, and get a lot stronger...but he will be a solid nhl d man, and a top pp qb....

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HOwever when one of your star prospects performs much better at the WJC in his draft year than he did the year after he is drafted I think you would have to be blind not to evaluate him on the biggest stage possible he can play on right now.
You might be blind not to evaluate him during the WJCs, but it'd be very misleading, IMO, to place too much stock into the evaluation. These tournaments are fun and exciting, but I'd argue that they represent the NHL, and a player's ability to excel therein, poorly. I'm far too lazy for this, but I'd love to see some stats and see whether WJC success is truly a better indicator of NHL success than CHL/NCAA success.

NHL scouts will definitely watch, but the smart ones will take everything with a grain of salt. Poor play can easily be the result of factors that scarcely exist in the NHL [complete unfamiliarity with the opponent, system, teammates, rules, etc.]. And it has to be very difficult for a scout to differentiate those abilities that were truly exposed as shortcomings and those abilities that were the result of the above factors.

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I wanted Vanek and then Suter in that order. I actually did well with those two. Now on Glazachev, wow.....we were all out to lunch on that pick.

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I wanted Vanek and then Suter in that order. I actually did well with those two. Now on Glazachev, wow.....we were all out to lunch on that pick.

I definitely didn't want Vanek. People kept mentioning Pavel Brendl every time he was brought up. I think the consensus was that the big 3 Dmen would fall to us. I think I preferred Coburn, Phaneuf, and Suter, in that order. Funny how, as of right now, that's the opposite order of their quality.

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I definitely didn't want Vanek. People kept mentioning Pavel Brendl every time he was brought up. I think the consensus was that the big 3 Dmen would fall to us. I think I preferred Coburn, Phaneuf, and Suter, in that order. Funny how, as of right now, that's the opposite order of their quality.
Yes, I remember. I mentioned Vanek, and was soundly blasted. However, I still wanted him .

I think a lot of Preds fans were overly critical of Suter early on.....He played well for us after the lockout, and if you look at his TOI, he became a go-to-go guy in our playoff runs, down the stretch, and he has finally emerged as the leader on defense. I think we all forgot how young he was and saw Phaneuf crushing people.....with Weber doing the same.....and assumed we made a mistake. The truth is, we didn't.

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