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01-06-2010, 07:40 PM
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with the excess of d-men in toronto and cap situation in Chicago, would it make sense to swing a deal around

Kris Versteeg

for

Ian White

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Toronto gets a good young winger who is signed for a while at a decent price. From what i know versteeg is pretty decent defensively, so he could help out the leafs defense while chipping in offensively. The contract gives the leafs some security while white is an RFA

Chicago gets a good rental player, and if they decide not to sign him in the off season they will manage to land a draft pick (because hes a RFA)

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No from both sides probably.

But I don't want White traded.

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01-06-2010, 07:46 PM
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I say yes from the Leafs, no from the Hawks personally. White is no upgrade on Versteeg and it seems they're goign for the title this year. Versteeg will get dealt with in the offseason I think when necessary. White just doesn't make the Hawks better now than if they had Versteeg. Yes from the Leafs just because Versteeg is signed to a reasonable deal, plays sound defensive hockey, and White is a RFA. Personally also just think Versteeg is more talented than White.

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I can't see Versteeg leaving until the off-season.

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01-06-2010, 07:50 PM
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I say yes from the Leafs, no from the Hawks personally. White is no upgrade on Versteeg and it seems they're goign for the title this year. Versteeg will get dealt with in the offseason I think when necessary. White just doesn't make the Hawks better now than if they had Versteeg. Yes from the Leafs just because Versteeg is signed to a reasonable deal, plays sound defensive hockey, and White is a RFA. Personally also just think Versteeg is more talented than White.
I would say pure offensive hands like dangles and shots he's 4th talent wise among current Hawks forwards only behind Kane, Hossa and Toews in that order.

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01-06-2010, 08:02 PM
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Why trade Versteeg for a guy who would play on Chicago's 3rd pairing some night and not at all many nights and then go away after the parade?

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Why trade Versteeg for a guy who would play on Chicago's 3rd pairing some night and not at all many nights and then go away after the parade?
Very optomistic are we.


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01-06-2010, 08:10 PM
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Actually not interested.
I'm hoping Burke resigns White, he's simply a good all around defenseman thats reliable but small.
Versteeg isn't the direction i'd like to go. The Leafs desperately need to increase size in the top 6 and its not there with Kris.
Its one of those decent value trades that doesn't address the need of either team.

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01-06-2010, 08:57 PM
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i would say yes to this trade (based on watching the game tonight OMG, however we are most likely looking for a center not a winger)

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Why trade Versteeg for a guy who would play on Chicago's 3rd pairing some night and not at all many nights and then go away after the parade?
I think you're underrating White,

That being said i think Toronto is getting the better end of the deal, but not by much, its faily close.

Toronto might have to add a conditional pick (depending on the Hawks re-signing White)

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01-06-2010, 09:44 PM
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I think you're underrating White,

That being said i think Toronto is getting the better end of the deal, but not by much, its faily close.

Toronto might have to add a conditional pick (depending on the Hawks re-signing White)
He's not. We don't do this. Keith Seabs Soup and Hammer are all better than him. He would be on our third pairing.

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01-06-2010, 10:16 PM
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No thanks from Toronto. Toronto doesn't need another undersized/soft forward... we have enough with Grabovski/Hagman/Blake.

Toronto also has three left wingers that are on pace for similar numbers....

Plus White as a Defencman pretty much has the same amount of points as Versteeg....

Big No when I think of it.

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01-06-2010, 10:33 PM
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i would say yes to this trade (based on watching the game tonight OMG, however we are most likely looking for a center not a winger)
Well Kessel started playing as a Center but then moved to RW to play with Savard, so I would move Kessel back to the Center and slap Versteeg on the RW to play with Kessel and Kulemin, or maybe Poni?

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No thanks from Toronto. Toronto doesn't need another undersized/soft forward... we have enough with Grabovski/Hagman/Blake.

Toronto also has three left wingers that are on pace for similar numbers....

Plus White as a Defencman pretty much has the same amount of points as Versteeg....

Big No when I think of it.
Don't forget about Kessel and also Stajan. Did you see when Hartnell grabbed the back of Kessels jersey and just took him down and dragged him for like 10 seconds during the little scruff, poor Kessel had nothing to do with it lol!

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Well Kessel started playing as a Center but then moved to RW to play with Savard, so I would move Kessel back to the Center and slap Versteeg on the RW to play with Kessel and Kulemin, or maybe Poni?
Kessel did not play on the same line as Savard for his first 2 years, are you telling me Kessel was a center for 2 years?




Kessel was drafted as a center, projected as a right wing due to lack of 2-way play. NHL centers need to skate the entire length of the ice and support the defense when the puck is in their end. Something Kessel can not, or is not willing to do.
He has always played wing as a pro. If Toronto moves him to center they are making a huge mistake.

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01-06-2010, 11:13 PM
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No thanks from Toronto. Toronto doesn't need another undersized/soft forward... we have enough with Grabovski/Hagman/Blake.

Toronto also has three left wingers that are on pace for similar numbers....

Plus White as a Defencman pretty much has the same amount of points as Versteeg....

Big No when I think of it.
i dont think you watch chicago too often

undersized, i guess a little

soft, anything but

he plays tenacious defence and penalty kill.. and can lay a hit if he needs to

he also sticks up for his team mates given the 3-4 fights he's been in during his career


i think you guys are unaware of his defensive game

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01-07-2010, 12:02 AM
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i dont think you watch chicago too often

undersized, i guess a little

soft, anything but

he plays tenacious defence and penalty kill.. and can lay a hit if he needs to

he also sticks up for his team mates given the 3-4 fights he's been in during his career


i think you guys are unaware of his defensive game
Hagman also plays a defensive game... Hagman is basicly our Kris Versteeg... we don't need him....

What we need is:
1) A first line centerman
2) A top six big Power Forward
3) a Third line PK specialist
4) Goaltender to help out Gustavsson

Chicago won't be able to suply us with a First line centerman... but the more I think of it... the more I think a Campbell +++ for Kaberle trade can make sense...

Campbell is overpaid for a very long time.... His value is really low. Kabby is at a steal of a contract for another season after this one...

A blockbuster trade is very unlikely... but maybe one like this could work:



Tomas Kaberle
Alexei Ponikarovsky
Matt Stajan
(8M going to Chicago)



Brian Campbell
Dave Bolland
Dustin Byfuglien
1st 2010 or 1st 2011 and 3rd 2010
(13.5M comming to Toronto)

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Why trade Versteeg for a guy who would play on Chicago's 3rd pairing some night and not at all many nights and then go away after the parade?
You are so utterly clueless.

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He's not. We don't do this. Keith Seabs Soup and Hammer are all better than him. He would be on our third pairing.
White is better defensively than Campbell (who has the edge offensively), and is miles ahead of Hjalmarsson offensively (who is, at best, on par with White defensively).

Hjalmarsson doesn't even play 20 minutes a night. He's a +12 on the best team in the league... a team that scores 1.14 more goals per game than it lets in.

White plays 23:19 per game, and is a +7 on one of the worst teams in the NHL... a team that scores 0.73 LESS goals per game than it lets in.

Man that irks me. This kid is 72 games into his career, 38 of which he's performed at a high level, and he's already better than White.



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Hawks fan here... letting ya know that I'm not participating in the proposed trades

Let me tell ya why...

Read any other Toronto/Chicago trade proposal and watch how one Leafs fan proposes a trade... Next, watch how other Leafs fans come in and talk about why their player deserves a larger return or how their player is better than the desired player... then watch them hype their players up to the point where they don't want to lose them anymore. I'm sorry to sound rude and disrespectful to the Toronto fan base, but it seems to be a pattern that doesn't seem to have much of a variance in the outcome (an argument about why player a is better than player b) and so forth, which ends up turning a little nasty.

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Hawks fan here... letting ya know that I'm not participating in the proposed trades

Let me tell ya why...

Read any other Toronto/Chicago trade proposal and watch how one Leafs fan proposes a trade... Next, watch how other Leafs fans come in and talk about why their player deserves a larger return or how their player is better than the desired player... then watch them hype their players up to the point where they don't want to lose them anymore. I'm sorry to sound rude and disrespectful to the Toronto fan base, but it seems to be a pattern that doesn't seem to have much of a variance in the outcome (an argument about why player a is better than player b) and so forth, which ends up turning a little nasty.
Well said and i agree.
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Hawks fan here... letting ya know that I'm not participating in the proposed trades

Let me tell ya why...

Read any other Toronto/Chicago trade proposal and watch how one Leafs fan proposes a trade... Next, watch how other Leafs fans come in and talk about why their player deserves a larger return or how their player is better than the desired player... then watch them hype their players up to the point where they don't want to lose them anymore. I'm sorry to sound rude and disrespectful to the Toronto fan base, but it seems to be a pattern that doesn't seem to have much of a variance in the outcome (an argument about why player a is better than player b) and so forth, which ends up turning a little nasty.
WOW - a voice of reason, sanity and civility in a Toronto-Chicago trade proposal - who woulda thunk it? Two thumbs up and a hip hip hooray for shartmcgart.

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Hjalmarsson doesn't even play 20 minutes a night. He's a +12 on the best team in the league... a team that scores 1.14 more goals per game than it lets in.
Hjalmarsson averages under 20 minutes of ice time because Keith, Seabrook and Campbell eat up ice time, logging 26:38, 23:38 and 23:25 respectively. The rest of your post i wont bother to go into but a large factor for why Campbell and Hjalmarsson would stay together if they traded for White is that they appear to have very good chemistry and complement each other well in that Hjalmarsson generally stays back and covers for Campbell when he goes on his offensive forays. Also Chicago would like to keep Hjalmarsson on the 2nd pariirng because they want him to continue to develop and giving him extra icetime and responsibility is expediating that process.

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As someone who watches a ton of both teams, Hammer is better than White. That's not a knock on White really (who would be a top 4 on a bunch of teams), but he wouldn't crack our top 4.

Since White is a RFA, this trade doesn't make much sense for us. If we could re-sign him though at a cheap rate (about 1 mil a year, which probably is unrealistic), I think its pretty close.

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01-07-2010, 10:15 AM
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im a fan of both of these teams....and from both sides i would say no

toronto:i dont trade white at all he is arguably our best all around dman,young and will be rasonably signed he stays i trade kabs and schenn first....and versteeg is a good young player but hes not what we nee we need big true top 6 centers and big physical wingers or legit snipers

chicago:white is someone i am very very high on but he is not a good fit in chicago....he will be too high priced for there cap situation this summer....and we need a big physical stay at home type white is redundent to our dcore....and i wouldnt trade off versteeg for what would end up being nothing becasue white would not be resigned

if im toronto i am not tareding white at all im signing him long term and keeping him as a big part of teh dcore...im looking to trade kaberle and schenn for big time young forwards....and they will both bring in a better return than white most likely

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As someone who watches a ton of both teams, Hammer is better than White. That's not a knock on White really (who would be a top 4 on a bunch of teams), but he wouldn't crack our top 4.

Since White is a RFA, this trade doesn't make much sense for us. If we could re-sign him though at a cheap rate (about 1 mil a year, which probably is unrealistic), I think its pretty close.
Bingo, if Chicago did re-sign White they wouldn't save more than half a million I imagine.

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