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01-06-2010, 08:45 PM
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Seguin vs. Fowler

If you had the second overall pick in the upcoming 2010 draft and Taylor Hall went first overall who would you choose?

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01-06-2010, 08:50 PM
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Depends on team needs.

If I'm the Bruins, I'm taking Fowler here.

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When you're picking this high in the draft, it should almost always be BPA. If you're selecting in the top 5, you're probably not good enough at much of anything. The Bruins are of course an exception, in that a useful selection could increase their chances of winning the Cup in the near future, and so any immediate team needs would come into making the decision.

And I would select Seguin.

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01-06-2010, 09:28 PM
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As mentioned above, it all depends on the teams needs.

I'm a Habs fan, if I could make the choice, since I feel we already have enough prospects on defense as it is (Subban, Weber, etc...), then I would most likely take Tyler Seguin. That's just me though.

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I take Fowler first overall, and have been since last season.

Oilers take Seguin to fill center need, they could use both though.

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01-06-2010, 11:26 PM
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After seeing how dominant (IMO) Fowler was at the WJC, I've got to go with Fowler. The kid can play, he's shown he can be an offensive force, he's also shown that, if need be, he can be a defensive stalwart. Fantastic player.

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Fowler. was blown away by his defensive game during the wjc. I thought he was an offensive specialist but man was i wrong. USA's best defensive Dman all tourney long.

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If Oilers get 2nd overall, they can't go wrong with either Seguin or Fowler. Personally, I'd take Fowler because he's the complete package of what you want in a defenseman.

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01-07-2010, 12:22 AM
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How is Fowler's physical game?

And what current NHL player would you compare Fowler to?

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Cam Fowler and it might happen with the way Atlanta is playing now. I was VERY impressed with how steady he was.

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01-07-2010, 05:36 AM
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Head to head Fowler looked better than Hall.

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How is Fowler's physical game?

And what current NHL player would you compare Fowler to?
Fowler's physical game is non-existant. He doesn't hit and most times it looks as if he is afraid to get hit. Seeing him in Windsor every game, I think there are still a lot of holes in his game, but his potential is through the roof. Compared to Hall and Seguin, I think Fowler would benefit most from another year in Junior.

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Head to head Fowler looked better than Hall.
This.

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And what current NHL player would you compare Fowler to?
IMO, Scott Niedermayer. He is smart, mobile, fast, always well positioned, good in the offensive and the defensive zones, he mades good and acurate passes and he is maybe not a lot physical, but he uses his positioning and his stick very well.

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Fowler has impressed me all season long. I think he deserves to be thought of as a legit candidate for #1.

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01-07-2010, 11:43 AM
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If you're picking second, you should be looking at Hall vs Seguin. I'd go with the more complete player, so I'd take Seguin. You'd also be hoping that the team picking 1st was dumb enough to take Hall over Fowler.

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Honestly, after the WJCs my top 2 would be

#1 Fowler
#2 Hall/Seguin

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Like it's been said, I'd take Fowler over both the forwards. I was very impressed with him at the WJC.

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We've taken so many D'men and goalies in the first round the last years, so I'll probably take an offensive player for once (Seguin). But Cam Fowler was damn impressive in the WJC, great skater, plays with comfidence and can rip the puck. Wouldn't say no to Fowler, but after what my team has done the last years I would take Tyler Seguin.

I think Fowler is the safest bet to become a star, over Seguin.

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The Oilers could use a stud on the back end but a legit #1 centerman is something they've been missing since Doug Weight was traded nearly 10 years ago. Comrie, Mike York and Horcoff aren't first line players.

I kind of feel for Seguin here. Out of sight, out of mind. He's still playing amazing....he just didn't get to do it on TSN.

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i am surprised with all the hype Fowler has gotten here. I made a thread in the Olympic/WJC board about players being overhyped over this tournament, and it seems to be happening here.

As of right now, Taylor Hall goes #1. I just can't see how anyone can think otherwise. Hall still had a heck of a tournament, and did nothing wrong to lose his top spot.

Fowler, had a monster tournament, where I think he is easily ahead of Seguin at this point. But, to Seguin's defence, he did not have the chance to showcase his stuff at the WJC's like the others did.

I have felt it has been Hall at #1, and Fowler at #2 all year. These two kids have been doing this stuff for the past few years, where Seguin has really risen from kind of left field to get the attention that he has. I am not saying Seguin is a flash in the pan, but Hall and Fowler have both been living up to their hype the past three years.

It also does depend on who is drafting #1 overall, but ask yourselves this; if you are picking #1, you obviously stink, and you need the help immediately. Who will help you out the quickest to turn your fortunes around? I am not 100% sure if Fowler is NHL ready next year, that is a big jump. I know he has the talent and desire, but it is no gaurantee. Hall on the other hand, is a lock to make the NHL next year, maybe because the transition for forwards is easier from junior/prep to pro then dmen.

As much as I love Cam Fowler, and appreciate the way he plays the game, he still goes after Hall imo. I like the Niedermayer comparision to Fowler, that is some huge shoes to fill. I tried comparing Fowler to Doughty in skill set, but I guess I was over hyping Fowler!

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i am surprised with all the hype Fowler has gotten here. I made a thread in the Olympic/WJC board about players being overhyped over this tournament, and it seems to be happening here.

As of right now, Taylor Hall goes #1. I just can't see how anyone can think otherwise. Hall still had a heck of a tournament, and did nothing wrong to lose his top spot.

Fowler, had a monster tournament, where I think he is easily ahead of Seguin at this point. But, to Seguin's defence, he did not have the chance to showcase his stuff at the WJC's like the others did.

I have felt it has been Hall at #1, and Fowler at #2 all year. These two kids have been doing this stuff for the past few years, where Seguin has really risen from kind of left field to get the attention that he has. I am not saying Seguin is a flash in the pan, but Hall and Fowler have both been living up to their hype the past three years.

It also does depend on who is drafting #1 overall, but ask yourselves this; if you are picking #1, you obviously stink, and you need the help immediately. Who will help you out the quickest to turn your fortunes around? I am not 100% sure if Fowler is NHL ready next year, that is a big jump. I know he has the talent and desire, but it is no gaurantee. Hall on the other hand, is a lock to make the NHL next year, maybe because the transition for forwards is easier from junior/prep to pro then dmen.

As much as I love Cam Fowler, and appreciate the way he plays the game, he still goes after Hall imo. I like the Niedermayer comparision to Fowler, that is some huge shoes to fill. I tried comparing Fowler to Doughty in skill set, but I guess I was over hyping Fowler!
Being in Chicago, no offense, but I question how many times you've seen Seguin play. You've obviously seen Hall and Fowler at the WJC. But if you're ranking Hall above Seguin, I'd like to know why. Not based on what you've read, but based on what you've *seen*. I don't know that you can fairly compare them without having seen them each a few times.

You also have to remember that the Hall you saw in the WJC is not the same Hall you see in the OHL on a nightly basis, just as the Hall you saw doing squat against the Americans (due in large part to being shut down by Fowler) is not the Hall you saw dominating the garbage teams in the tournament. Similarly, I saw a lot more out of Fowler in the WJC than he has ever shown in the OHL games I've seen him play this year. Having all three in my backyard, I've seen all three play numerous times this season, and I know the strengths and weaknesses to all three quite well.

Prior to the WJC, I was telling people that this is an awful year to have a top three pick. Nobody had stood out as a clear #1, but that is no longer the case. The playoffs will speak volumes, but right now there is definitely a clear #1.

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Being in Chicago, no offense, but I question how many times you've seen Seguin play. You've obviously seen Hall and Fowler at the WJC. But if you're ranking Hall above Seguin, I'd like to know why. Not based on what you've read, but based on what you've *seen*. I don't know that you can fairly compare them without having seen them each a few times.

You also have to remember that the Hall you saw in the WJC is not the same Hall you see in the OHL on a nightly basis, just as the Hall you saw doing squat against the Americans (due in large part to being shut down by Fowler) is not the Hall you saw dominating the garbage teams in the tournament. Similarly, I saw a lot more out of Fowler in the WJC than he has ever shown in the OHL games I've seen him play this year. Having all three in my backyard, I've seen all three play numerous times this season, and I know the strengths and weaknesses to all three quite well.

Prior to the WJC, I was telling people that this is an awful year to have a top three pick. Nobody had stood out as a clear #1, but that is no longer the case. The playoffs will speak volumes, but right now there is definitely a clear #1.
I am a little confused here... who are you actually saying is the best of the three? Also, why are you quoting me on anything related to Hall vs. Seguin? Every poster on here has put either Hall or Fowler ahead of Seguin, many who also reside in their backyard, so what are you having trouble with?

Tyler Seguin is a solid prospect, but the only people that are actually trying to say Seguin has #1 status are the folks who are trying to sell subscriptions for their sites/magazines. Seguin is a great prospect, but imo he has never been in the league of Fowler and Hall.

I have been watching Fowler long before you ever had the opportunity to see him. Just because it says Chicago, does not mean I do not travel or get to see top prospects every single year. If you actually read anything I wrote, I said that Hall and Fowler have lived up to the hype the past 3 years, I am not ranking these kids on one tournament like many others are. Everytime I have seen Hall he has impressed the hell out of me, and I have had them ranked 1 &2 respectively for this draft the past 2 years.

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I am a little confused here... who are you actually saying is the best of the three? Also, why are you quoting me on anything related to Hall vs. Seguin? Every poster on here has put either Hall or Fowler ahead of Seguin, many who also reside in their backyard, so what are you having trouble with?

Tyler Seguin is a solid prospect, but the only people that are actually trying to say Seguin has #1 status are the folks who are trying to sell subscriptions for their sites/magazines. Seguin is a great prospect, but imo he has never been in the league of Fowler and Hall.

I have been watching Fowler long before you ever had the opportunity to see him. Just because it says Chicago, does not mean I do not travel or get to see top prospects every single year. If you actually read anything I wrote, I said that Hall and Fowler have lived up to the hype the past 3 years, I am not ranking these kids on one tournament like many others are. Everytime I have seen Hall he has impressed the hell out of me, and I have had them ranked 1 &2 respectively for this draft the past 2 years.
Really? Based on what? The fact that Fowler and Hall were consensus top-5 picks last year and Seguin wasn't?

Because by that logic, Angelo Esposito was always in a higher league than Patrick Kane. Not that I'm comparing Esposito to Hall or anything, but I don't think you should belittle Seguin's contribution and rise based on what he didn't do at 16 years old.

He's still a fairly complete two-way centre with size, decent skating ability, a great scoring touch and has been the most consistent producer in the OHL at the tender age of 17 years old. All the hallmarks of an elite player in the making.

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