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01-08-2010, 01:12 PM
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Hecht/Connolly/Pommer

So are we looking at an emerging two way top line? Or are they just another combo thats gotten hot for a stretch?

Since being put together they have been a pretty effective combo at both ends of the ice.

-Hecht is back to the two way player we knew and loved prior to last season.

-Connolly has been pretty close to the player we have been hoping for since the 05-06 season.

-Pommer has also been energized and is almost all the way back the player that got the big contract extension. Minus his stinker against the Thrashers.


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01-08-2010, 01:20 PM
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I"m very happy with how all of them are playing. Maybe Tim's beginning to put the injury memories behind him. The second he started competing for the puck, his line took off. I think it happened (if memory serves) before being re-united with Hecht and Poms.

All three guys are playing with swagger and confidence right now. I think the consistency, if it comes, will start and end with Connolly.

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its been so long since there has been a truely consistent top 6 line in Buffalo... so im a little hesitant to make the statement yet.... having said that, the HCP line has been awesome lately. i'd like to see the consistency for over a month though, not 1 or 2 weeks.

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its been so long since there has been a truely consistent top 6 line in Buffalo... so im a little hesitant to make the statement yet.... having said that, the HCP line has been awesome lately. i'd like to see the consistency for over a month though, not 1 or 2 weeks.
Thats kind of where I'm at as well.


Over the last 5 games they have been great.


Connolly ---> 4g 5a 9pts +8
Hecht -----> 4g 2a 6pts +7
Pommer ----> 2g 3a 5pts +3

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It's a start. They need to perform for longer, and I don't think Ruff will keep them together long enough for them to do that. I see Hecht and Poms going with Roy, and Vanek going back with Connolly in the near future.

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Actually, if you remember the first post-Briere/Dru season, that was the best line for as long as Connolly was healthy.

Hecht finished the season with a career-high in goals, Pommer in points, and the only guy who gave as much to the team as those two was Roy (post-November, as usual).

Those two back then (Hechtonville) cycled the puck like no other line the Sabres had in the last few years and Connolly was a good fit.

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It's a start. They need to perform for longer, and I don't think Ruff will keep them together long enough for them to do that. I see Hecht and Poms going with Roy, and Vanek going back with Connolly in the near future.
I can't say your wrong but if that line keeps clicking I don't think that he will break them up.

Ruff gets hammered on here for not letting lines stay together. But the reality is if a line is consistantly producing it usually stays together. That hasn't happened since the captains were here.

There is a difference between what we have seen the last two seasons where lines have shown potential but werent producing consistantly and what we had with the captains. Entire lines or pairs of forwards were consistant together back then. Our top line when all were healthy was always Hecht/Briere/Dumont and then Pommer. Thats because that line was consistantly productive. Sure a guy would get sit for a period or two when struggling (like Pommer the other night). But it was never a permanent thing.

Now I'm not saying Hecht/Connolly/Pommer are there yet. But if they keep playing like they have I would be a tad surprised if they were broken up.


Couple that with the fact that Ruff/management has wanted this line to play together over the last few years. To be honest what we have seen the last few games has to be a dream come true for Ruff/management. Its why those guys have the contracts they do. They should get a decent run together. (Watch they are switched in the 2nd period tonight )

Also Ruff, regardless of what we think, has always favored Roy with Vanek. Which has been a successful secondary scoring line in the past.

Man I'm I getting ahead of myself with that


I wouldn't mind seeing the following top 9


Hecht/Connolly/Pommer
Vanek/Roy/Grier
Kennedy/Goose/Stafford


Kennedy back on wing might get his game back in order. Getting him away from the pressure of trying to get Vanek going would probably help him as well.


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If this line can get humming the way Hecht-Briere-Pominville used to, I'd like to see them put together a pure scoring second line such as Vanek-Roy-MacArthur. Then, maybe a Stafford-Kennedy-Grier third line and you have the same style lineup that lit up the league our two ECF years.

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If this line can get humming the way Hecht-Briere-Pominville used to, I'd like to see them put together a pure scoring second line such as Vanek-Roy-MacArthur. Then, maybe a Stafford-Kennedy-Grier third line and you have the same style lineup that lit up the league our two ECF years.
I'll have to disagree with you.

I want no part of pure offensive lines. Its not how this team is winning. Getting away from trying to win like we did back then is a big reason why we are winning again.

Putting Mac, who is suspect defensively as it is, on his off wing makes my blood pressure raise to unsafe levels.

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They even got a sweet line name...

Hecht Connolly Pominville




Here Comes the Pain!!!


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They even got a sweet line name...

Hecht Connolly Pominville




Here Comes the Pain!!!

They are going good right now.. Lets see how this line rides the next month...

As to the line name?? IT works...
Until they stink up the joint and then its:

Holy Crap... Pathetic

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I like the idea of Vanek playing with Roy, especially against a team like Toronto tonight. Maybe if they can score a few goals against a ****** team, they'll regain some confidence. I don't know about you, but Vanek has been looking like a future suicide case lately on the bench, the guy is just so mentally burned out it's obvious when he's on the ice. He needs to get some swagger back, he needs someone to set him up with a couple goals in a game. If he gets that kick start, he'll start to look like the old Vanek again. And I don't think that'll happen with Grier and Kennedy anymore. IMO that line has run its course, time to switch them up again.

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I'll have to disagree with you.

I want no part of pure offensive lines. Its not how this team is winning. Getting away from trying to win like we did back then is a big reason why we are winning again.

Putting Mac, who is suspect defensively as it is, on his off wing makes my blood pressure raise to unsafe levels.
CMac on the RW? No thanks. He's bad enough defensively now... let's put him out of position to help the situation.

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They are going good right now.. Lets see how this line rides the next month...

As to the line name?? IT works...
Until they stink up the joint and then its:

Holy Crap... Pathetic
Beautiful. *verklempt*

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I wouldn't mind seeing the following top 9


Hecht/Connolly/Pommer
Vanek/Roy/Grier
Kennedy/Goose/Stafford


Kennedy back on wing might get his game back in order. Getting him away from the pressure of trying to get Vanek going would probably help him as well.
I'm thinking more like:

Hecht-Con-Poms
Vanek-Ennis-Grier
Roy-Goose-Stafford

Kennedy needs a break, and TV needs an injection of offensive creativity.

I know this won't happen, but I'd be very curious to take a look at this line-up for a couple of games:

Hecht-Cons-Poms
Vanek-Ennis-Grier
Gerbe-Roy-Stafffff
CMac-Goose-Kaleta

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I'm thinking more like:

Hecht-Con-Poms
Vanek-Ennis-Grier
Roy-Goose-Stafford

Kennedy needs a break, and TV needs an injection of offensive creativity.

Interesting. I like it.

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I'll have to disagree with you.

I want no part of pure offensive lines. Its not how this team is winning. Getting away from trying to win like we did back then is a big reason why we are winning again.

Putting Mac, who is suspect defensively as it is, on his off wing makes my blood pressure raise to unsafe levels.
I know you're right, but it would be nice to get Vanek going again and it seems like having an effective top line that he's not on has been the way to do that. But they have been winning through high commitment to defensive play, etc etc.

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I'll have to disagree with you.

I want no part of pure offensive lines. Its not how this team is winning. Getting away from trying to win like we did back then is a big reason why we are winning again.

Putting Mac, who is suspect defensively as it is, on his off wing makes my blood pressure raise to unsafe levels.
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I know you're right, but it would be nice to get Vanek going again and it seems like having an effective top line that he's not on has been the way to do that. But they have been winning through high commitment to defensive play, etc etc.

I think an effective PP would go a long way towards jump starting Vanek's goal scoring. If that gets fixed his linemates may be less of an issue since his confidence would get a boost for scoring on the PP.

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I'm thinking more like:

Hecht-Con-Poms
Vanek-Ennis-Grier
Roy-Goose-Stafford
I like that, it kills the 'sit Kennedy,' 'jolt Vanek,' and 'try Ennis' birds with a single stone. Whats the 4th line with that setup? CMac-Mair-Kaleta?

I'd like Goose to center 3rd line even with Kennedy in the lineup, can someone remind me what the problem is with putting Kennedy on the 4th line?

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I like that, it kills the 'sit Kennedy,' 'jolt Vanek,' and 'try Ennis' birds with a single stone. Whats the 4th line with that setup? CMac-Mair-Kaleta?

I'd like Goose to center 3rd line even with Kennedy in the lineup, can someone remind me what the problem is with putting Kennedy on the 4th line?
Gerbe and Kennedy aren't 4th liners. At least thats what Ruff said at the beginnning of the year.

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I like that, it kills the 'sit Kennedy,' 'jolt Vanek,' and 'try Ennis' birds with a single stone. Whats the 4th line with that setup? CMac-Mair-Kaleta?
Ellis-Mair-Kaleta.

I could live with that.

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I didn't mean that I wanted to see those combinations, per se, I just think that that's what Ruff might do in a game where the team struggles for offense or injuries hit.

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I think we can safely say they have established themselves as a legit #1 line.


They have really stepped it up on the Western portion of this trip.


Pommer --> 4gms 3g 5a 8pts +3 (1g 1a 2pts on the PP)
Connolly --> 4gms 2g 6a 8pts +1 (1g 1a 2pts on the PP)
Hecht ----> 4gms 2g 3a 5pts +2

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I think we can safely say they have established themselves as a legit #1 line.


They have really stepped it up on the Western portion of this trip.


Pommer --> 4gms 3g 5a 8pts +3 (1g 1a 2pts on the PP)
Connolly --> 4gms 2g 6a 8pts +1 (1g 1a 2pts on the PP)
Hecht ----> 4gms 2g 3a 5pts +2
if only vanek staff roy could do something close to this

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