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03-23-2010, 03:41 PM
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its easy to tell who doesnt base their opinions on what happens on the ice. you can always tell....

its those whose opinions never change...
So his play was acceptable 6-8 games after the Olympics? I happen to recall YOU YOURSELF asking Connolly to get out of a slump in a GBU.

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03-23-2010, 03:42 PM
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Coming from you this is pretty funny.

You write off players you don't like after a bad month or season if it suits your agenda.

Taking a show me stance with a player's health that missed half of the last two seasons and all of the season before that seems pretty reasonable to me.


Connolly this season is player I always felt he would be if he stayed healthy. I never had faith in his ability to stay healthy. But I did think he could be a good playmaker, average goal scorer and a solid two way ES player. He isn't a dominant player nor a super star like his fanboys crowed he would be if he could stay healthy. He also doesn't make his linemates better. If that was the case he (along with Pommer) wouldn't have needed Hecht to jump up from the 3rd line to make that line go.

This is the best season of his career and I'm hoping its a sign of more seaons like this to come.
my opinions of players changes more then anyone on this board.

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03-23-2010, 03:42 PM
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yea, like the first 15 games of the year, when he had 15 pts
He played a lot more than 15 games without Hecht, but of course you'd only use the ones to suit your agenda. That's not much of a "best of" if you ask me.

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03-23-2010, 03:45 PM
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So his play was acceptable 6-8 games after the Olympics? I happen to recall YOU YOURSELF asking Connolly to get out of a slump in a GBU.
so what you're saying is that Connolly's weak performance coming out of the olympic break is more relevant then his overall performance over the course of 70 games?

so he came out slow after a break... for about 6 games... since then he has 6 pts in 6 games and we are back on a good streak.

your intent to look for the smallest flaw in a great season is clear indication of bias

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03-23-2010, 03:47 PM
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He played a lot more than 15 games without Hecht, but of course you'd only use the ones to suit your agenda. That's not much of a "best of" if you ask me.
wow...

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So his play was acceptable 6-8 games after the Olympics? I happen to recall YOU YOURSELF asking Connolly to get out of a slump in a GBU.
Connolly played a lot more then 6-8 games... but you chose that small sample to make your point....

give up, you're getting rocked

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so what you're saying is that Connolly's weak performance coming out of the olympic break is more relevant then his overall performance over the course of 70 games?

so he came out slow after a break... for about 6 games... since then he has 6 pts in 6 games and we are back on a good streak.

your intent to look for the smallest flaw in a great season is clear indication of bias
You called him consistent. He is anything but as evidenced by several weeks of subpar play in Decemeber and another two weeks after the Olympics.

Stop trying to twist the argument

(And your assertion that I'm some kind of downer is hilarious, considering I was one of the only people defending them after they lost to the Caps....)

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03-23-2010, 03:57 PM
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You called him consistent. He is anything but as evidenced by several weeks of subpar play in Decemeber and another two weeks after the Olympics.

Stop trying to twist the argument

(And your assertion that I'm some kind of downer is hilarious, considering I was one of the only people defending them after they lost to the Caps....)
If Connolly isn't consistent, no forward on this team is.

On Oct 31st with nearly a month of the season gone by, Hecht was a -1 with 3 pts...three weeks later he was a -3 with 4 pts.

Connolly was producing without Hecht. Hecht didn't produce much offensively without Connolly.

They are a great fit, and two of the best 6 players at any position on the entire team IMO... (Miller, Tallinder, Myers, Connolly, Hecht, Vanek).

hating on timmy is so last year...

my assertion was not about the season, but about Connolly. It's a clear indication of personal bias when you are finding a way to be critical of Connolly when he's had a great season. When you immediately need to reference a 6 game stretch over the majority of a fine season.

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03-23-2010, 03:58 PM
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I love Hecht. His game has been amazing this year.

Connolly is twice as valuable to this team, THIS year... denying that is pure bias and nothing else.

Connolly leads the team is ES and PP scoring, and has been very good defensively, while contributing to the PK.

His game has been consistent for nearly the entire year (a 3 week skid in december)
He does not lead the team in ES scoring. Hecht does and he spent about half his season on the 3rd line.


ES points

1. Hecht ---> 37pts (71gms)
2. Connolly -> 36pts (71gms)
3. Pommer -> 36pts (71gms)
4. Roy -----> 35pts (69gms)
5. Vanek ---> 30pts (66gms)

ES goals
1. Hecht ---> 17g
2. Vanek ---> 14g
3. Pommer --> 13g
4. Roy ------> 12g
5. Mac -----> 10g
6. Grier -----> 10g
7. Connolly --> 8g


ES assists
1. Connolly --> 27a
2. Pommer ---> 23a
3. Roy -------> 23a
4. Hecht -----> 20a
5. Vanek -----> 16a


Hecht has been far and away our best ES forward with the most goals, points and best defensive play.




Before they were united on the same line Hecht played on the 3rd line with Kennedy and Grier. Whereas Connolly played with various top 6 forwards.


Their point totals at ES before playing together.


Hecht ---> 37gms 4g 9a 13pts
Connolly -> 37gms 3g 8a 11pts

Their ES numbers together as linemates.

Hecht ---> 34gms 13g 11a 24pts
Connolly -> 34gms 5g 20a 25pts

We can argue in circles over who made who better. But its quite obvious they are better together than apart.

But its worth noting that Connolly's ES number were no great shakes for a top 6 forward before Hecht joined his line. Its hard to argue he is this offensive catalyst when he was unable to get much going at ES without Hecht as his linemate.


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03-23-2010, 04:03 PM
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that 10 game stretch in December where Connolly went without a single goal, and only 2 assists.... he was still a +2.

That time period also corresponds with when he was playing through injuries, as evidenced by the faceoff numbers.

Ironically i believe it was that injury that reunited Hecht-connolly. Macarthur was given first crack at faceoff duties on that line in late November. after that Mac went to the 3rd line, and Hecht moved to the connolly line.

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We can argue in circles over who made who better. But its quite obvious they are better together than apart. But its worth ntoing that Connolly's ES number were no great shakes for a top 6 forward before Hecht joined his line. Its hard to argue he is this offensive catalyst when he was unable to get much going at ES without Hecht as his linemate.
without a doubt

how did you generate those numbers?

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my opinions of players changes more then anyone on this board.
Now that is a statement of truth


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how did you generate those numbers?

I went on ESPN.com and uses its game log for each player. It gives their offensive numbers for each game (it includes PP and SH numbers). I just added them up for the games they have been a line (34gms). I used ESPN for this because its much faster than NHL.com to switch between players.

For their ES numbers not as linemates, I took their ES totals for the year (thats on NHL.com) and subtracted what they have done as a line.

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I went on ESPN.com and uses its game log for each player. It gives their offensive numbers for each game (it includes PP and SH numbers). I just added them up for the games they have been a line (34gms). I used ESPN for this because its much faster than NHL.com to switch between players.

For their ES numbers not as linemates, I took their ES totals for the year (thats on NHL.com) and subtracted what they have done as a line.
how do you know they were on a line together? just guessing on a time frame?

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03-23-2010, 04:17 PM
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how do you know they were on a line together? just guessing on a time frame?
I was curious how they were going to do when they were put together. I had high hopes (or maybe desperate that we would finally have a consistant top 6 line). Anyway I started this thread 5gms into them being together.

I just resurected the thread instead of starting a new one.

This was my OP on 1/8.

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So are we looking at an emerging two way top line? Or are they just another combo thats gotten hot for a stretch?

Since being put together they have been a pretty effective combo at both ends of the ice.

-Hecht is back to the two way player we knew and loved prior to last season.

-Connolly has been pretty close to the player we have been hoping for since the 05-06 season.

-Pommer has also been energized and is almost all the way back the player that got the big contract extension. Minus his stinker against the Thrashers.


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and my 2nd post in this thread responding to you

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Thats kind of where I'm at as well.


Over the last 5 games they have been great.


Connolly ---> 4g 5a 9pts +8
Hecht -----> 4g 2a 6pts +7
Pommer ----> 2g 3a 5pts +3

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I was curious how they were going to do when they were put together. I had high hopes (or maybe desperate that we would finally have a consistant top 6 line). Anyway I started this thread 5gms into them being together.

I just resurected the thread instead of starting a new one.

This was my OP on 1/8.

So are we looking at an emerging two way top line? Or are they just another combo thats gotten hot for a stretch?

Since being put together they have been a pretty effective combo at both ends of the ice.

-Hecht is back to the two way player we knew and loved prior to last season.

-Connolly has been pretty close to the player we have been hoping for since the 05-06 season.

-Pommer has also been energized and is almost all the way back the player that got the big contract extension. Minus his stinker against the Thrashers.


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ok gotcha

and yes. this line is the best version of a top 6 line that fits the system.

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and yes. this line is the best version of a top 6 line that fits the system.
Yes it is and the whole is better than the sum of its parts. They just gel together nicely.

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Yes it is and the whole is better than the sum of its parts. They just gel together nicely.
They do. Hecht is playing like he was 2 seasons ago and the reason he got his contract. You can say the same for Pominville.

After the Briere/Drury debacle I recall Darcy saying that he thought Briere could replace Briere and this is obviously the same set line Briere had after Dumont left.

Paul Hamilton said on WGR yesterday that in the final games of the season the past 3 seasons (2006-2009) for a total of 85 games Pominville has 96 points. So even though Pominville didn't have a great year last year, he has shown that he comes through at the right time and I hope it continues into the playoffs.

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I have no idea why it clicks for Pominville and he starts going into the high traffic areas with regularity at around this point in the year.

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I have no idea why it clicks for Pominville and he starts going into the high traffic areas with regularity at around this point in the year.
Maybe he's trying to avoid injury when the games don't matter as much, even if it's not a conscious thing.

Also, am I the only one that's noticed that Pominville seems to have gotten a little nasty in him lately? I like it and hope to see more.

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One thing that's really underrated about this line is that I'm comfortable with them going strength vs strength against any line that doesn't have Ryan Getzlaf on it. At the moment, they're probably even better than Goose/Grier.

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One thing that's really underrated about this line is that I'm comfortable with them going strength vs strength against any line that doesn't have Ryan Getzlaf on it. At the moment, they're probably even better than Goose/Grier.
Yeah, they're very strong defensively. Connolly is underrated in that department, he has a very smart style. Hecht and Pommers have really become great two-way players; Pommers has grown by leaps and bounds. Now if only he'd stop breaking his stick.

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