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01-09-2010, 01:05 PM
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OK, I stand corrected if that's the case. I have no access to USHL hockey, so I can't see him first hand (and I doubt many here can, although in most cases we just take the word of scouts anyways and build hype from there). I hadn't really heard much at all before on him. Actually I hadn't heard much at all on any goaltenders previous to the tournament. Any idea what he was ranked by CSS previous to the WJHC? (of all players available, not just goaltenders)

I know he's the top USHL goaltender, but I haven't been able to find how he compares to other players.
I'm just going by what the scouts say too. I had not seen him before the WJCs either but this is the type of stuff I heard on the TSN and american broadcasts on Atdhe. Talk about him possibly going in the first round. Mention of him being the best draft eligible goalie by quite a bit. Then again Benjamin Conz may have something to say about that. This stuff didn't just come from Pierre if thats what you're thinking.

Either way I liked what I saw from him. His swagger is something special too. He was clearly shaken up in the games he played vs canada but he just battled hard. That's something I saw too that really had me high on him.

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01-09-2010, 01:12 PM
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I'm just going by what the scouts say too. I had not seen him before the WJCs either but this is the type of stuff I heard on the TSN and american broadcasts on Atdhe. Talk about him possibly going in the first round. Mention of him being the best draft eligible goalie by quite a bit. Then again Benjamin Conz may have something to say about that. This stuff didn't just come from Pierre if thats what you're thinking.

Either way I liked what I saw from him. His swagger is something special too. He was clearly shaken up in the games he played vs canada but he just battled hard. That's something I saw too that really had me high on him.

Admittedly, yes it was what I was thinking (that it came from Pierre who tends to man crush on players), but I trust what you're saying in your recent posts.

Benjamin Conz though.. he's a goalie that I thought was a bit more of a McGuire man-crush than Campbell. I did watch the Swiss a fair bit, and I thought he played VERY good against the Russians, but there were times where he, for lack of a better way of describing it, looked like he was playing in a sand box. I guess the same can be said to describe how Hasek played, mind you. But he was on his knees a lot with his arms pretty low... something the Americans exploited Allan for in that final.

I did develop my own McGuire-like man crush on Niederreiter, however, so I'm not knocking people for buying into hype from a tournament (Niederreiter is already ranked 21 on HF though, in my defense)... just wondering if the love-in for Campbell had more to back it up than just a few world junior games. Thank you for backing it up with more than just that!

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01-09-2010, 01:31 PM
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dont get these offers where the oilers are offering anything good.

Oilers are screwed this year--I know that--you know that--hellen keller knows it

why you the oilers go out and pick up a rental player and give something good for him? that would be subtraction by addition

given anything of value for Biron is silly
Agreed 110% my misspelling Brule loving friend.

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01-09-2010, 01:37 PM
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JDD is ensuring that this team losses games it shouldn't and doesn't win games it should...
Bulin has a .907 sv% and JDD has a .903 save%.

Bulin had the benefit of playing behind a healthy Hemsky.

Biron has a .900 sv%.

No goaltender is going to make a difference when key players like Horcoff and O'Sullivan stink up the joint every night.

Gilbert Brule, a guy that couldn't even do produce in in AHL last year, has more goals and points than Horcoff and O'Sullivan and has only one less point than "the face of teh franchise!!111!" Sam Gagner.

That's pathetic.

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01-09-2010, 01:38 PM
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Admittedly, yes it was what I was thinking (that it came from Pierre who tends to man crush on players), but I trust what you're saying in your recent posts.

Benjamin Conz though.. he's a goalie that I thought was a bit more of a McGuire man-crush than Campbell. I did watch the Swiss a fair bit, and I thought he played VERY good against the Russians, but there were times where he, for lack of a better way of describing it, looked like he was playing in a sand box. I guess the same can be said to describe how Hasek played, mind you. But he was on his knees a lot with his arms pretty low... something the Americans exploited Allan for in that final.

I did develop my own McGuire-like man crush on Niederreiter, however, so I'm not knocking people for buying into hype from a tournament (Niederreiter is already ranked 21 on HF though, in my defense)... just wondering if the love-in for Campbell had more to back it up than just a few world junior games. Thank you for backing it up with more than just that!

So, what you're saying is that IF management does things right they could potentially draft both Hall and Niederreiter. Admittedly, I did see a lot to like about Nied's game.

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01-09-2010, 01:41 PM
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I'm sure the team in front of him would look a lot better if we had even average (15th in SV%) goaltending... opposed to the plain bad (33rd IIRC in SV%) goaltending we have....
I'm sure JDD's save% would look much better if "The King of Tough Sledding" could push the puck in the right direction.

O'Sullivan and Horcoff are a combined -40.

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01-09-2010, 01:43 PM
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Biron for Grebs and a 3rd
Wow.

Possibly the dumbest Oiler fan in the world.

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01-09-2010, 01:44 PM
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So, what you're saying is that IF management does things right they could potentially draft both Hall and Niederreiter. Admittedly, I did see a lot to like about Nied's game.
I doubt it. Niedereitters draft stock probably skyrocketed with his world juniors. I'm not going to say top 5 but he probably put himself in a position where it's very likely he'll be taken top 10.
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I'm sure JDD's save% would look much better if "The King of Tough Sledding" could push the puck in the right direction.

O'Sullivan and Horcoff are a combined -40.
Yeah I'm sort of confused with the people hating on JDD. The guy has had some solid games for us and lets get real, if this team had any idea what to do with the puck, we would probably be winning more games. As of now the kid doesn't stand a chance.

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I'm sure JDD's save% would look much better if "The King of Tough Sledding" could push the puck in the right direction.

O'Sullivan and Horcoff are a combined -40.
See you're all wrong, the reason Horcoff's +/- is so brutal (BTW +/- isn't a good measure of a players play EVAR!) is because JDD is horrible.

Sorry but it's not as if JDD is giving us Toskala-esque goaltending so let's cut the BS people. The team is bad mostly because of the guys playing outside of the net not inside of it unless you want to take Moreau's cop-out for his and the teams crappy play method.

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01-09-2010, 01:55 PM
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I doubt it. Niedereitters draft stock probably skyrocketed with his world juniors. I'm not going to say top 5 but he probably put himself in a position where it's very likely he'll be taken top 10.
I don't know if he'll go top 10, but yah, for sure he'll go above 21st. That was his ranking before the WJHCs and he had as good a tourney as any, playing with guys who definitely aren't anywhere near of the same quality as the players on Canada/USA/Sweden.

I think I can safely say that whatever team drafts him is going to have a pretty good player in 4 or 5 years. And yah, although people know his name now, he might still be the sleeper pick in the draft. He played a standout game at the tourney on a team that doesn't exactly stand out and unbelievably is only 17.

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01-09-2010, 05:21 PM
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If we trade for a goalie, like Biron and give up anything more than a bag of pucks our gm is a dumb ass.

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01-09-2010, 05:30 PM
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Perhaps, although I don't see why Biron (39th SV%) would make them win more games. Although it does beg the question, what's the point of trading for Biron?
There isnt one. This rumour is bogus.

If we are trading for a goalie it would be Halak, not Biron.

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01-09-2010, 06:06 PM
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The speculation (already posted in another thread) on a (credible) Islanders blog was Biron for a 3rd rounder:

Trade Martin Biron: Could happen. The rest of the league knows what Biron is as a locker room presence and as a goaltender. His nightmarish 2-11-2 record doesn’t diminish his value. That value is a third-round pick. Oh, the wonders his positive outlook and goaltending could do for a team down in the dumps like Edmonton.

Maybe they'll throw in Schremp.

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01-09-2010, 06:09 PM
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If you're the Oilers, you don't trade for Biron, they would be better asking the Rangers to put Vallaquette(sp) on re-entry waivers.

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Theres talk on the Islanders board about Biron going to Edmonton. Our team is in dire needs of young defensive help. I really dont know alot about edmonton prospects but we'd be looking for defensive help. how much would we have to add to get a guy like petry or plante away. they are two solid two-way defensive with size we could use as our def prospects we have are mainly offensive and tiny.

the word is a deal is close for Biron and I'm just trying to get a feel what you guys think it might be for.
If the Oilers trade Petry or Plante for Biron then Tambellini has officially the Mike Milbury level of management and team building.

They don't Biron, they need Taylor Hall.

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01-09-2010, 06:29 PM
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The speculation (already posted in another thread) on a (credible) Islanders blog was Biron for a 3rd rounder:

Trade Martin Biron: Could happen. The rest of the league knows what Biron is as a locker room presence and as a goaltender. His nightmarish 2-11-2 record doesn’t diminish his value. That value is a third-round pick. Oh, the wonders his positive outlook and goaltending could do for a team down in the dumps like Edmonton.

Maybe they'll throw in Schremp.
I wouldn't give them anything for Biron.

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A bit too ****ing late to trade for Biron right now.

When the Oilers were still in the playoff hunt then I would understand such a trade (I was in fact expecting one to take the load off JDD) but now there really is no point.

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I'll trade yah Alex Plante for Calvin DeHaan straight up.

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Biron for Bulin and Horcoff.

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Oh, the irony. Trading for Biron, a back-up to Roloson, when Roli himself wasn't good enough to sign.

Please, for the love of god Tambi, don't make that trade.

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Wow.

Possibly the dumbest Oiler fan in the world.
Yeah no kidding, i haven't seen a worse proposal in a while and there's been a lot of bad ones.
I would hesitate to give a 3rd alone for Biron nevermind Grebs AND a 3rd

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Biron, Hamonic, 2nd

Gilbert, Pisani

To much? To little?

Usually I don't make trade proposals...there's probably a reason why
Isles would pass imo.Zero interest in Pisani and Hamonic/De Haan are the isles top 2 prospects outside the nhl.

Snow and head scout Jankowski rave about Hamonic(and De Haan).

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biron for horcoff thats about the only thing that might make it somewhat worthwhile at this point
Isn't Horcoff making $5m-$7m per yr?

That's not happening

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I'm sure JDD's save% would look much better if "The King of Tough Sledding" could push the puck in the right direction.

O'Sullivan and Horcoff are a combined -40.
And have a combined .860 sv% behind them.

Who is dragging who down?

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Getting Biron would be stupid. Milbury level stupid. We need to be trading pieces away for a tank, not picking guys up to try and kill our draft position.

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