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01/09/10 How long are do you think we need to wait for success?

View Poll Results: How long are do you think we need to wait for success?
i think it could only take a year 7 7.53%
I think it will be two years 11 11.83%
2-3 years 34 36.56%
3-4 years 30 32.26%
i don't know that we will ever see success 4 4.30%
it depends on how we finish this year 3 3.23%
any of these are options 2 2.15%
Other, please explain 2 2.15%
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01-09-2010, 10:49 AM
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01/09/10 How long are do you think we need to wait for success?

Ugly big picture scaring off fans
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...968/story.html

Oil Kings mull trade options as deadline nears
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...980/story.html

Souray OK with trade 'that makes the team better'
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...738/story.html

Giant effort falls short- Oil Kings
http://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/ho...02871-sun.html

Quinn puts Oilers through their paces
http://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/my...99941-qmi.html

Souray willing to waive clause
http://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/my.../12399161.html

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01-09-2010, 10:53 AM
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I am hoping as early as next year. What do I expect? Next year.

If the oilers don't do something next year, well, I expect Tambellini to be fired. I would try and lure Jarmo Kekalainen out of St. Louis and make him GM. It's become obvious he's not next in line, it looks like it'll be armstrong. The oilers could use someone like him with an expertise of drafting in europe.

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01-09-2010, 10:58 AM
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Ugly big picture scaring off fans
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...968/story.html
If even the Journal, who are firmly in bed with the Oilers, is being this critical of the team, maybe, just maybe someone in the Oilers office will actually clue in to the fact that the butchering of this team has to stop.

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Blue Sky
http://lowetide.blogspot.com/2010/01/blue-sky.html

Saint Sheldon
http://lowetide.blogspot.com/2010/01/saint-sheldon.html

Recipe for Oilers success: Just add a big, tough, nasty forward, says Gord Stamp
http://communities.canada.com/edmont...y/default.aspx

Pietrangelo Dealt to Barrie
http://thepipelineshow.blogspot.com/...to-barrie.html

They Took The Last Can Of Who Hash - Stink, Stank, Stunk
http://www.blackdoghatesskunks.com/2...ash-stink.html

Souray willing to waive goodbye
http://oilersnation.com/2010/1/8/sou...-waive-goodbye

Cody Wild vs. Taylor Chorney Update
http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/1/9/...chorney-update

Historically speaking, how Bad are the current Oilers?
http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/1/8/...ng-how-bad-are

More On J.F. Jacques
http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/1/8/...on-j-f-jacques

Souray Leaving is a Question of Leadership...
http://oilersinsider.blogspot.com/20...estion-of.html

Trying Quinn’s patience..
http://puttingonthefoil.com/2010/01/...lk-quinnzilla/

The Dustin Penner offer sheet revisited
http://lowonoil.com/2010-articles/ja...revisited.html

Dion Phaneuf's rendition of Billy Joel's Piano Man
http://lowonoil.com/2010-articles/ja...piano-man.html

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01-09-2010, 11:02 AM
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The curse of the Panthers
http://www.fromtherink.com/

kukla
http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/

rumours, kovy and souray
http://www.spectorshockey.net/index....&id=5&Itemid=4

Theo Fleury: author and bridge burner
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl,212555

puck daddy has some more
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy

GM Sutter says Phaneuf not on trade block
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...=lebrun_pierre

Sheldon Souray Willing To Waive No-Trade Clause
http://my.thescore.com/hockeyordie/a...de-clause.aspx

Ron Wilson Continues To Amaze
http://my.thescore.com/hockeyordie/a...-to-amaze.aspx

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01-09-2010, 11:06 AM
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If even the Journal, who are firmly in bed with the Oilers, is being this critical of the team, maybe, just maybe someone in the Oilers office will actually clue in to the fact that the butchering of this team has to stop.
I don't think the losing will affect ticket sales as much as you think. If the oilers go on a run(whether it's good or bad for the organization lets forget about it) the fans will come back. If the oilers don't go on a run and continue to play like this, they'll draft hall or Seguin, and the oilers will pimp the **** out of that pick and create a ton of hype. Either way the fans will come back.

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01-09-2010, 11:42 AM
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If even the Journal, who are firmly in bed with the Oilers, is being this critical of the team, maybe, just maybe someone in the Oilers office will actually clue in to the fact that the butchering of this team has to stop.
The current regime would somehow have to become aware of that fact and I am not holding out much hope of that.
Not much chance these boys will have a mirror big enough to highlight the problem.
This has turned into a circus with Katz as the ringmaster.

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I don't think the losing will affect ticket sales as much as you think. If the oilers go on a run(whether it's good or bad for the organization lets forget about it) the fans will come back. If the oilers don't go on a run and continue to play like this, they'll draft hall or Seguin, and the oilers will pimp the **** out of that pick and create a ton of hype. Either way the fans will come back.
I agree. If next season we have one or two of Eberle, MPS, Omark and Hall/Seguin in the lineup next season, there will be optimism amongst the fans and people will come out to watch the kids. There are just as many die hard fans in a hockey crazy city as there are casual. That hardcore fan is going to fork out the $200 for a ticket a couple times a season no matter what. I think most understand that the team would be building towards something.

With that said, losing is one thing but completely calling it in is another. If we see more games like the one against Columbus I think even the die hards will stop going.

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Young talent + honest work ethic = Fan Support

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01-09-2010, 12:12 PM
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I don't think the losing will affect ticket sales as much as you think. If the oilers go on a run(whether it's good or bad for the organization lets forget about it) the fans will come back. If the oilers don't go on a run and continue to play like this, they'll draft hall or Seguin, and the oilers will pimp the **** out of that pick and create a ton of hype. Either way the fans will come back.
Its about value. There has to be a return on a ticket investment...a sense that you watched a good effort and an entertaining product.
A player like Hall or Seguin isn't enough...there will still be a wait and see attitude as there should be.
I have never seen a time in this franchises' history when the ticket value has become almost worthless like it is now. This franchise (in large part) has become a waste of time for a lot of people, myself included. I bought a 3 game mini pack this season which is about 15 games less than I usually buy. I did this because I didn't like the roster and I didn't think I would be getting a good return (entertainment wise) for my dollar. Turns out I was right and to be quite honest I would have been much happier being wrong.
If the economy drops off even more (like I expect it to) then this team may be in further trouble as far as fan support goes because of how poorly they have positioned themselves for the future.
This downward slide looks to be a few years away from turning around because the current management team hasn't even shown that they understand the problem.

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01-09-2010, 12:50 PM
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Honestly, the talent on this team is pretty underrated. If the oilers actually started giving an honest effort, forechecking, playign tighter defense or even not worrying about defense and playing all out offense. they would probably win more games and take us out of position for a lottery pick. This is where this team needs to be to get that pick. I understand it is demoralizing but thats how it has to be.

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I worry that with the way this article is framed, and if the organization reads it the way I think they will, they'll see that the team needs to "win now" in order to keep the fans happy.

Hopefully they're smarter than that and recognize the need for a true rebuild, but I'm not holding my breath...

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2-3 years, easily. That is, depending they are a bottom 5 teams for 2 seasons and get a top 3/2 pick in one of them.

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It took the young Pens and the young Capitals 3 years to become a legit playoff threat. This is with generational draft talents, and no harrowing contracts that held the team back.

These Oilers? I'm going to say this team peaks when Horcoff's contract ends. That's right folks, we may be a playoff team before 2016, but we're not going to be contending for jack **** till #10 is done here.

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2-3 years, easily. That is, depending they are a bottom 5 teams for 2 seasons and get a top 3/2 pick in one of them.
Do you think the turn around would really be that quick? I think after drafting in the bottom 5 you'd need a couple years of development before finding any succsess.

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3-5 years after Lowe and Tambellini are punted.

That's the starter's gate.

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3-5 years after Lowe and Tambellini are punted.

That's the starter's gate.
Good to see you posting DSF. Missed your input on subject. (honest opinion even though it may sound sarcastic.)

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Success? What does that mean?

There are people here who think a first round exit is unacceptable. It's all relative.

Personally I think becoming a contender will take years. There should be an option in the poll for a decade, because realistically, that's how long it takes teams to become contenders. Sometimes even longer!

I also think though, that the team will actually play an NHL game in a year (meaning they will actually be able to get the puck out of their own end), and in a couple years they will be back to where they were in the MGM days, as a hard hitting, fast team, that may not win a lot, but they'll always be hard to play against.

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3-5 years after Lowe and Tambellini are punted.

That's the starter's gate.
Welcome back DSF. I see you've mellowed.

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3-5 years after Lowe and Tambellini are punted.

That's the starter's gate.
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Welcome back DSF. I see you've mellowed.

not sure why he was missed--he is only a few votes behind me as the most annoying poster on this board


as for how long the oilers will be in the dulldrums

it is two fold--they need to move out some of the dead weight--problem is the dead weight carries a large price tag and no one wants them

for a full refit to begin--we are looking at 2 to 3 years

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I am hoping as early as next year. What do I expect? Next year.

If the oilers don't do something next year, well, I expect Tambellini to be fired. I would try and lure Jarmo Kekalainen out of St. Louis and make him GM. It's become obvious he's not next in line, it looks like it'll be armstrong. The oilers could use someone like him with an expertise of drafting in europe.
Doesn't that have more to do with the scouting staff. Lowetide mentioned Stu MacGregor's willingness to draft in Europe since taking the reigns.

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3-5 years after Lowe and Tambellini are punted.

That's the starter's gate.
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That's the starter's gate.
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3-5 years after Lowe and Tambellini are punted.

That's the starter's gate.
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I agree. If next season we have one or two of Eberle, MPS, Omark and Hall/Seguin in the lineup next season, there will be optimism amongst the fans and people will come out to watch the kids. There are just as many die hard fans in a hockey crazy city as there are casual. That hardcore fan is going to fork out the $200 for a ticket a couple times a season no matter what. I think most understand that the team would be building towards something.

With that said, losing is one thing but completely calling it in is another. If we see more games like the one against Columbus I think even the die hards will stop going.

So basically...
Young talent + honest work ethic = Fan Support
Well I do agree, but let's not forget that it wasn't long ago we were excited about Gagner/Cogliano/Nilsson who were all 1st rounders as well. I'm gonna temper my enthusiasm for this new crop of rookies. Also as much as I'm down with a rebuild, these youngsters still need to be protected and insulated properly. Not necissarily with the crap we have but with some veteran UFA's who won't break the bank.

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Do you think the turn around would really be that quick? I think after drafting in the bottom 5 you'd need a couple years of development before finding any succsess.
By "easily" I meant it will be at least that long until they can begin thinking about making moves to build something resembling a playoff team. It will probably take about 5 years until they're back as a "contending" team, that is, if everything goes as smooth as possible and management doesn't make questionable moves. Then they can at least be a playoff team with the ability to win a round or two. Of course, nothing is ever certain, but looking at the Chicago (took them a bit longer because of horrible management), Pittsburgh and LA models, I'd say about 3-4 years is reasonable.

I think they really need some elite forwards, as Edmonton does have some good complimentary pieces IMO. Also still have decent defensive depth on the roster, some solid tradebait, which could speed up the process.


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