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01-09-2010, 04:57 PM
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Boston - Toronto

Ugh, I feel stupid for posting a Kaberle proposal, but I think this makes some sense for both teams involved. Kaberle is likely to waive his NTC to an eastern conference team, and the further the Leafs slip out of playoff contention, the more likely it is Burke will look to deal him. Chiarelli already expressed interest in Kaberle last year, so there is at least some interest in Kaberle as a player from Boston's end.

To Boston:

Tomas Kaberle

To Toronto:

Dennis Wideman
Boston 1st Round pick
Vladimir Sobotka

Boston replaces a defenceman whose had some struggles recently with a premier puckmover signed for one more year at pretty much the same salary as Wideman. They keep Toronto's first round pick from the Kessel deal, and have a likely high second as well to cash in if they want to move up, making the first somewhat expendable for the upgrade to Kaberle. Sobotka hasn't been getting much icetime, so he seems like a natural fit to serve as a fill in on a Leaf team that might be short some bodies after deadline day.

Toronto takes a pretty big risk in dealing Kaberle for Wideman, but they do get younger in the deal, and Wideman is a very good offensive D when he's on his game with the potential to replace Kaberle's contribution on the backend down the road. Adding a first in this draft is obviously the main piece that makes taking that risk worthwhile, and Sobotka is a scrappy player who might be the victim of a numbers game in Boston.

Thoughts?

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01-09-2010, 05:00 PM
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Not a chance from the Leafs. I'm pretty sure Bruin's fans are calling for Wideman's head, and Sobotka isn't anything special

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I think the deal makes sense. It would depend on Burke's valuation of Wideman, though.

Leafs could probably add someone like Mayers.

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Not a chance from the Leafs. I'm pretty sure Bruin's fans are calling for Wideman's head, and Sobotka isn't anything special
kaberle is not worth that at all wideman may be having a down season, but he is still good, and sobotka is young and good at faceoffs and defense. kaberle is not what the bruins need and isnt worth a 1st rnd pick alone.

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if kaberle goes to boston, well need to get our 1st, or one of their top centres.

What about Kaberle, and Stajan for Krejci/Bergeron, 2nd 10 Tor?

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01-09-2010, 05:22 PM
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Boston would think twice about doing Wideman for Kaberle alone.

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if kaberle goes to boston, well need to get our 1st, or one of their top centres.

What about Kaberle, and Stajan for Krejci/Bergeron, 2nd 10 Tor?
How much would we have to pay to get Krejci/Bergeron AND our pick back?

Boston escaped with a lop sided one, right? lol

check that, I was thinking number 81..
and for a second, completely forgot who was leading NHL goalies, in the 2 most important stats as of the last time I checked...
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Hahaha, no thanks from Boston's POV

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Make it our first next year and you have yourself a deal, Boston.

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Ugh, I feel stupid for posting a Kaberle proposal, but I think this makes some sense for both teams involved. Kaberle is likely to waive his NTC to an eastern conference team, and the further the Leafs slip out of playoff contention, the more likely it is Burke will look to deal him. Chiarelli already expressed interest in Kaberle last year, so there is at least some interest in Kaberle as a player from Boston's end.

To Boston:

Tomas Kaberle

To Toronto:

Dennis Wideman
Boston 1st Round pick
Vladimir Sobotka

Boston replaces a defenceman whose had some struggles recently with a premier puckmover signed for one more year at pretty much the same salary as Wideman. They keep Toronto's first round pick from the Kessel deal, and have a likely high second as well to cash in if they want to move up, making the first somewhat expendable for the upgrade to Kaberle. Sobotka hasn't been getting much icetime, so he seems like a natural fit to serve as a fill in on a Leaf team that might be short some bodies after deadline day.

Toronto takes a pretty big risk in dealing Kaberle for Wideman, but they do get younger in the deal, and Wideman is a very good offensive D when he's on his game with the potential to replace Kaberle's contribution on the backend down the road. Adding a first in this draft is obviously the main piece that makes taking that risk worthwhile, and Sobotka is a scrappy player who might be the victim of a numbers game in Boston.

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this trade only goes through if thats the leafs first coming back

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I do this, it helps our team and our pick.

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this trade only goes through if thats the leafs first coming back
That will never happen, Chiarelli will keep that pick no matter what.

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Not that bad, but sounds a little bit too much. I'm not underrating Kaberle, but, IMO, Wideman had some good games in the last 2 weeks and Sobotka is important now. If Toronto accepts Ryder + Boston 1st 2010, could work for both teams. He isn't living a good season, but is a very good forward, perhaps a change of scenario could be good for him. We would be loosing one forward, but Kaberle could create better plays from the Blue Line and as result, more goals.

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Not that bad, but sounds a little bit too much. I'm not underrating Kaberle, but, IMO, Wideman had some good games in the last 2 weeks and Sobotka is important now. If Toronto accepts Ryder + Boston 1st 2010, could work for both teams. He isn't living a good season, but is a very good forward, perhaps a change of scenario could be good for him. We would be loosing one forward, but Kaberle could create better plays from the Blue Line and as result, more goals.
We don't want Ryder, he apparently needed a change from Montreal.
Kaberle, Stajan, Hanson
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Bergeron, salary dump

We need a top 2 centre, we dont want Savard.... Kaberle to Boston means Bergeron or Krejci come back....Not many teams can afford to give up a top 2 guy, but Boston has 3, top 2 centreman...

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Not that bad, but sounds a little bit too much. I'm not underrating Kaberle, but, IMO, Wideman had some good games in the last 2 weeks and Sobotka is important now. If Toronto accepts Ryder + Boston 1st 2010, could work for both teams. He isn't living a good season, but is a very good forward, perhaps a change of scenario could be good for him. We would be loosing one forward, but Kaberle could create better plays from the Blue Line and as result, more goals.
I don't know, I don't like Ryder very much, and the attraction of dealing for Wideman + is that we get back a defenceman who has at least a shot at replacing Kaberle's production in the future. Ryder just adds another goal scoring winger, which isn't bad, but isn't exactly a need for the Leafs. Personally, the packages Buffalo fans were proposing for Kaberle were a lot more useful to Toronto imo.

Now, if it was Krejci instead of Ryder.

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We need a top 2 centre, we dont want Savard.... Kaberle to Boston means Bergeron or Krejci come back....Not many teams can afford to give up a top 2 guy, but Boston has 3, top 2 centreman...
I doubt Boston trades either of those guys, realistically. I'm sure those are the first players Burke would be asking about though.

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We don't want Ryder, he apparently needed a change from Montreal.
Kaberle, Stajan, Hanson
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Bergeron, salary dump

We need a top 2 centre, we dont want Savard.... Kaberle to Boston means Bergeron or Krejci come back....Not many teams can afford to give up a top 2 guy, but Boston has 3, top 2 centreman...
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I don't know, I don't like Ryder very much, and the attraction of dealing for Wideman + is that we get back a defenceman who has at least a shot at replacing Kaberle's production in the future. Ryder just adds another goal scoring winger, which isn't bad, but isn't exactly a need for the Leafs. Personally, the packages Buffalo fans were proposing for Kaberle were a lot more useful to Toronto imo.

Now, if it was Krejci instead of Ryder.



I doubt Boston trades either of those guys, realistically. I'm sure those are the first players Burke would be asking about though.

Bergeron or Krejci won't be available for any trade, IMO. Both are very important in our system. But, lets assume that Chia thinks in put Krejci on the table (Bergeron > Krejci and certainly our next captain), probably Toronto would have to overpay to acquire him. Kaberle for Krejci, one by one? Looking as a neutral opinion, I would say that could be very close to a fair proposal, but looking from the perspective of our system, Krejci is much younger than Kaberle, and when he will be in his prime, Kaberle would be in decline, so probably Chia would ask for something like Kaberle + medium prospect for Krejci.

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Bergeron or Krejci won't be available for any trade, IMO. Both are very important in our system. But, lets assume that Chia thinks in put Krejci on the table (Bergeron > Krejci and certainly our next captain), probably Toronto would have to overpay to acquire him. Kaberle for Krejci, one by one? Looking as a neutral opinion, I would say that could be very close to a fair proposal, but looking from the perspective of our system, Krejci is much younger than Kaberle, and when he will be in his prime, Kaberle would be in decline, so probably Chia would ask for something like Kaberle + medium prospect for Krejci.
I'd seriously consider dealing Kaberle for Krejci straight up at the very least, and you'd have to think Burke would be interested.

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I'd seriously consider dealing Kaberle for Krejci straight up at the very least, and you'd have to think Burke would be interested.
Ya i agree, Bergeron was just being greedy....lol
Krejci, our 2nd
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Kaberle, Stajan(their new 3rd line centre) & salary dump

I like Stajan a lot better with guys like Lucic and Chara around, so his lack of toughness wont be exploited like it is, here. lol

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Bergeron or Krejci won't be available for any trade, IMO. Both are very important in our system. But, lets assume that Chia thinks in put Krejci on the table (Bergeron > Krejci and certainly our next captain), probably Toronto would have to overpay to acquire him. Kaberle for Krejci, one by one? Looking as a neutral opinion, I would say that could be very close to a fair proposal, but looking from the perspective of our system, Krejci is much younger than Kaberle, and when he will be in his prime, Kaberle would be in decline, so probably Chia would ask for something like Kaberle + medium prospect for Krejci.

A top 3 scoring d-man in the league for a guy who has fewer points than Blake and Grabo and you're asking for a medium prospect as well?

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How many Leaf fans would trade Kabs for our #1 2010 back?

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kaberle is not worth that at all wideman may be having a down season, but he is still good, and sobotka is young and good at faceoffs and defense. kaberle is not what the bruins need and isnt worth a 1st rnd pick alone.
Wrong. I do that deal easily.

Kabs is better than Wideman by a fair margin. Compare salaries and you see that Kaberle easily is the better value.
Sobotka has yet to develop any offense in the NHL, and while he has in the A, and is still young, sometimes you have to gamble. He's best at C. We have 3. We have a couple more in the pipeline. He's expendable.

We have 4 1st rounders and 4 2nd rounders in the next 2 years. Giving 1 up is no big deal, and in fact might be necessary anyway.

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How many Leaf fans would trade Kabs for our #1 2010 back?
That's irrelevant because you're not getting that pick back.

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Boston would think twice about doing Wideman for Kaberle alone.
Chiarelli would drive Wideman to Toronto and pay the tolls if he could get Kaberle straight up.

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