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01-10-2010, 12:57 AM
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I also have been looking on Ticketmaster, and what you're saying is possible.

But what's also possible is that tickets are being snagged up by walk-ups. This isn't likely, but considering the state the team is in people do now have the opportunity to get seats simply be walking up to the doors. And at half price for singles, it's not a a bad deal.

You can check them on Ticketmaster all day if you want, but tickets sold at or near game-time will most certainly alter what is seen on Ticketmaster.
Sorry Ryan but Ticketmaster is a real time instantaneous inventory system. If a ticket is available its available. Online, in person at window, etc. Its available.

If a ticketmaster inventory record wasn't instantaneous they'd be selling the same seats multiple times.

In especially busy sales like for instance Rolling Stones or AC/DC there is some lag time but not for this level of pregame Oiler sales.

One of the times I checked there were tickets available half an hour after game started. It wasn't sold out.

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But on ice performance has nothing to do with attendance.

Atlanta, Florida and Phoenix are just bad hockey markets
Florida and Phoenix are not hockey markets since they don't even have hockey weather. We were in Florida in December and I was able to walk around in shorts and a T-shirt. It got over 80 degrees Fahrenheit on some days. This is December I'm talking about and not the middle of July, August or even September.

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Sorry Ryan but Ticketmaster is a real time instantaneous inventory system. If a ticket is available its available. Online, in person at window, etc. Its available.

If a ticketmaster inventory record wasn't instantaneous they'd be selling the same seats multiple times.

In especially busy sales like for instance Rolling Stones or AC/DC there is some lag time but not for this level of pregame Oiler sales.

One of the times I checked there were tickets available half an hour after game started. It wasn't sold out.
I know how the system works, but it's interesting that you checked after the game started. I'd never done that.

But like I said...does it matter? The Oilers get the message and the building looks less full. As long as Oiler fans aren't buying the tickets and the organization wants to pony up, that's their problem and their prerogative. Looks like it's time to start icing a good team.

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I know how the system works, but it's interesting that you checked after the game started. I'd never done that.

But like I said...does it matter? The Oilers get the message and the building looks less full. As long as Oiler fans aren't buying the tickets and the organization wants to pony up, that's their problem and their prerogative. Looks like it's time to start icing a good team.
Honesty matters.

The Org uses this contrived sellout string to continue to feel good about itself which personally I find pathetic in view of what the org has done.

The org is holding onto this one symbolically imo as its continued vote of confidence from the fanbase.

Whats the problem we sellout..?

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Maybe call Barnes a liar if it floats your boat. He wrote the article I linked. If you read it you'd know I pulled that right off the page.

If you read it...you would see it was "Joel Turcotte" who said he ended up settling for a "for a case of Coors Light and a session of dog grooming.", which can be a couple hundred bucks, especially selling on one days notice. Hes lucky to get anything on that short notice.

You are selling it as many are going for nothing, which I wish was the case...but it isnt.

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Honesty matters.

The Org uses this contrived sellout string to continue to feel good about itself which personally I find pathetic in view of what the org has done.

The org is holding onto this one symbolically imo as its continued vote of confidence from the fanbase.

Whats the problem we sellout..?
Good work Replacement. Hopefully the msm picks up on this and runs with it. Then we can hear the human weasel change tactics and tell us how the team is in danger of moving again.

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Honesty matters.

The Org uses this contrived sellout string to continue to feel good about itself which personally I find pathetic in view of what the org has done.

The org is holding onto this one symbolically imo as its continued vote of confidence from the fanbase.

Whats the problem we sellout..?
Or maybe thats just how a few overzealous fans see it.

You really think the org is still in denial about the team, the fans view of the team, future revenue losses and needed improvement?

People around here need to get out more.

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If you read it...you would see it was "Joel Turcotte" who said he ended up settling for a "for a case of Coors Light and a session of dog grooming.", which can be a couple hundred bucks, especially selling on one days notice. Hes lucky to get anything on that short notice.

You are selling it as many are going for nothing, which I wish was the case...but it isnt.
Do me a favor.

Hang around rexall before a dog game and see if you can buy tickets for 20 bucks from somebody.

Note how easy it is now to buy tickets at this price.

Ask yourself if theres anytime this has been common since the mid 90's.

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Honesty matters.

The Org uses this contrived sellout string to continue to feel good about itself which personally I find pathetic in view of what the org has done.

The org is holding onto this one symbolically imo as its continued vote of confidence from the fanbase.

Whats the problem we sellout..?
I agree that honesty is important, but honestly (and unfortunately), this PR spin doesn't surprise me.

They can keep saying what they want. Having to "claim" 500 or so tickets a night, and this number will likely grow, will surely be a wakeup call to everyone in that organization.

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They do half price singles, maybe more and more people are waiting until game day to buy their tickets at half price?

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Do me a favor.

Hang around rexall before a dog game and see if you can buy tickets for 20 bucks from somebody.

Note how easy it is now to buy tickets at this price.

Ask yourself if theres anytime this has been common since the mid 90's.
I second this

I share a pair season tickets with 4 friends and when none of us can go we sell them at season tickets par or below to the "ticket guys" at the front of Rexall. So they recognize us, and we get good deals from them when we needed tickets.

And i know for a fact that this has not been a good season for them business wise, actually it has been the worst in the last few years.

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01-10-2010, 02:33 AM
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I'm just curious the specifics for why this was researched. I don't believe it's simply to show "see, they aren't actually selling out." Because I am giving people the benefit of the doubt that they aren't spending their time refreshing a Ticketmaster website simply to confirm that the Oilers aren't actually selling out.

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I personally have trouble believing that 100% of all tickets are completely bought and paid for for every single game. The Oilers do advertise half price singles on game day which does tell me that demand has gone down. Also the perception that Oilers tickets are really difficult to get has undoubtedly discouraged people that would otherwise gladly pay for tickets from actively searching on ticketmaster for seats.

However I do not find this to be a massive deal. If 99.7% of the tickets are paid for then I would have little issue with classifying a game as sold out. Does that classify as a complete 100% sellout? Of course not but I do not find this to be a serious issue...yet.

I would be curious how the Nashville game sells but I am willing to bet that Ticketmaster will have no tickets available come game time.
(I'd like that add that the 560 unsold seats for Nashville is quite a bit less then I would expect to be available for purchase)

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They haven't made the playoffs in 3 years what do you expect will happen?

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I personally have trouble believing that 100% of all tickets are completely bought and paid for for every single game. The Oilers do advertise half price singles on game day which does tell me that demand has gone down. Also the perception that Oilers tickets are really difficult to get has undoubtedly discouraged people that would otherwise gladly pay for tickets from actively searching on ticketmaster for seats.

However I do not find this to be a massive deal. If 99.7% of the tickets are paid for then I would have little issue with classifying a game as sold out. Does that classify as a complete 100% sellout? Of course not but I do not find this to be a serious issue...yet.

I would be curious how the Nashville game sells but I am willing to bet that Ticketmaster will have no tickets available come game time.
(I'd like that add that the 560 unsold seats for Nashville is quite a bit less then I would expect to be available for purchase)
I think the half price game day tickets have been common going back to 2005-2006 (if not earlier)

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I buy all the remaining tickets when it looks like we arent going to sell out.


Im also the Drug King of Edmonton.

Who am I.

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I don't think that the Oilers can legitimately purchase their own tickets to ensure a sell out. I think their is some rule in the CBA or something that prohibits it. It has something to do with attendance levels which have to be at a certain level for revenue sharing.

Now if Molson Canadian purchases all the half price tickets to sell as a Molson Canadian Half price ticket then that seat is sold. Or if 99% of the seats are sold except for standing room and some singles, then that should still be considered a sell out.

Who really cares if some other entity buys the remaining tickets? Does it really change anything? Of course not.

Some times it seems like Oilers fans are worse than a Needy girlfriend. Did you take out the garbage? When are you going to fix the sink? I need a new pair of shoes. Like cmon really.

Also doesn't this "prolonged" sellout streak make the organization look better? And if the Org looks better then maybe it will attract some better players?

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I don't think that the Oilers can legitimately purchase their own tickets to ensure a sell out. I think their is some rule in the CBA or something that prohibits it. It has something to do with attendance levels which have to be at a certain level for revenue sharing.

Now if Molson Canadian purchases all the half price tickets to sell as a Molson Canadian Half price ticket then that seat is sold. Or if 99% of the seats are sold except for standing room and some singles, then that should still be considered a sell out.

Who really cares if some other entity buys the remaining tickets? Does it really change anything? Of course not.

Some times it seems like Oilers fans are worse than a Needy girlfriend. Did you take out the garbage? When are you going to fix the sink? I need a new pair of shoes. Like cmon really.
this makes far more sense than what i just said...

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For the purpose of calculating attendance figures, teams go by tickets distributed, not tickets sold. There were several articles about the Predators last season in regards to how they had to reach a certain average of paid tickets per game to qualify for revenue sharing under the CBA, so there exists a discrepancy between given attendance and paid attendance. For the half price singles, I'm sure they're already counted as distributed: comp the other tickets out the day of the game and voila, a sellout.

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For the purpose of calculating attendance figures, teams go by tickets distributed, not tickets sold. There were several articles about the Predators last season in regards to how they had to reach a certain average of paid tickets per game to qualify for revenue sharing under the CBA, so there exists a discrepancy between given attendance and paid attendance. For the half price singles, I'm sure they're already counted as distributed: comp the other tickets out the day of the game and voila, a sellout.
I bet Molson buys all the unsold tickets at midnight before a game.

Hence Molson half price singles. They probably pay 50% of the cost of the total tickets, get to advertise and usually get their money back for some free advertising.

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I buy all the remaining tickets when it looks like we arent going to sell out.


Im also the Drug King of Edmonton.

Who am I.
He doesn't have to buy them. I wouldn't be surprised if the Oilers Foundation bought them to 'donate' to the less fortunate.

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i feel really really stupid, but i don't see the option to see the unsold tickets. I see the regular search critera and that's it. what am i missing?

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i feel really really stupid, but i don't see the option to see the unsold tickets. I see the regular search critera and that's it. what am i missing?
You're not missing anything. "The interactive seat map" (a really great feature) is not enabled anymore for some reason for this game. Usually they stop doing that on game day but this is early.

Not sure why that would occur and hopefully its up again.

Heres the upcoming Dallas game where the interactive map is up.

http://www.ticketmaster.ca/event/110...4&minorcatid=9

Much better service for the customer imo. Why would they already pull that for the Nashville game?

Too much disclosure?

I wish i had a screenshot but several posters to this thread were seeing the same map availabity that I was last night.

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I don't think that the Oilers can legitimately purchase their own tickets to ensure a sell out. I think their is some rule in the CBA or something that prohibits it. It has something to do with attendance levels which have to be at a certain level for revenue sharing.
I never once indicated the oilers were doing this. Merely that they are indicating every ticket sold when it is not the case.

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Now if Molson Canadian purchases all the half price tickets to sell as a Molson Canadian Half price ticket then that seat is sold. Or if 99% of the seats are sold except for standing room and some singles, then that should still be considered a sell out.
I've considered that and would find that to be a reasonably acceptable definition of sellout. That is until Laforge for some reason decided to state:

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Team president Patrick LaForge said every seat in Rexall Place, as well as 210 standing spots, are paid for
Which is a pretty clear statement indicating EVERY ticket is sold.
But even given that theres been multiple seats together available for games. So more than singles are available. Large blocks together were still available for the Nashville game

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Who really cares if some other entity buys the remaining tickets? Does it really change anything? Of course not.
Why not tell it straight to the fan base? I think people would appreciate that.

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Some times it seems like Oilers fans are worse than a Needy girlfriend. Did you take out the garbage? When are you going to fix the sink? I need a new pair of shoes. Like cmon really.

Also doesn't this "prolonged" sellout streak make the organization look better? And if the Org looks better then maybe it will attract some better players?
Well I don't think it makes the org look better at all and a few other people seem to agree. When Laforge is explaining away this and indicating:

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LaForge also said he hears from people whose opinions about the team and their experience at the games stretch from one end of the spectrum to the other, from frustration to glee.

"There are still people who come to games and go wow, that's fantastic," he said.
It seems like he's downplaying the fan dissatisfaction and reaction that is occurring.

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