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12-21-2009, 05:30 PM
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Question/Kovalchuk proposal

Hey y'all,

Thrashers fan here, and I have a lot of respect for what the Preds have been able to do in their history, and especially this season. Really wish Atlanta had the same leadership (Poile/Trotz) that Nashvegas has, but I'm glad to see a Southern market stick it to the Canadians/New Yorkers.

Anyway, it's looking more and more likely that Kovalchuk will not sign in Atlanta. I'm not sure if it's the lack of money (if that's the case, Nashville isn't a good suitor, either) or the lack of consistency. Personally, I think he just wants to move on. At any rate, in looking over the Nashville roster, I think Kovalchuk is EXACTLY the kind of player that could bolster your PP and give you the kind of offensive firepower to battle Chicago/Calgary/SJ in the playoffs. I understand you have an internal cap, but I think he could be fit in, especially were it for a deadline/cup run.

That said, what would you be willing to part with in exchange for a UFA-to-be Kovalchuk? I wouldn't expect a massive payment like what happened with the Forsberg trade, but what do you think is realistic? Understand that this is completely hypothetical as-it-is, and that this isn't a sign-and-trade.

Would Kovy for Hornqvist and the rights to Radulov be fair? Who should add, and what? I just think Nash and Atlanta can make good trading partners, and I'd like to see Kovalchuk, Nashville, and Atlanta succeed. Atlanta would need some young wingers/potential scoring coming back, as any trade would need to keep them in the playoff mix. If Nashville went deep with this kind of trade or even won the cup, I could completely see Kovy re-signing in Nash. He likes the pace of life in the South, and enjoys his relative anonymity away from the rink. He'd be miserable in a Toronto, for instance.

Just wanted to stir up some conversation, and don't mean to flame. What do y'all think?

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While Kovalchuk would be great on this team I feel it would cost us to much to get him .. we dont have allot of forward depth in our system...
Hornqvist is a key part of our team for years to come I feel
Radulov I am one of the fans who would rather hold on to him till he comes back and if he doesnt oh well. we dont make a move that could kick us in the ass for years..

so all we could really offer is D prospects and picks
and myself id rather look at tor and get Poni for just a 2nd ...
That being said the thought of Kovalchuk makes me not be able to stand up

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I think the Predators would make that deal. They wouldn't be able to sign Kovalchuk which is why they should probably focus elsewhere IMO.

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After the Forsberg trade, i'm in fear of renting players.

We are just so dependent on developing players, it hurts to let them go, especially an offensive player like Hornqvist who looks like he could pan out.

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While adding a game-breaking offensive talent like Kovalchuk would be great, it is not worth the price for a rental that has no chance of re-signing in Nashville. There will be better (both in terms of fit and price) options available on the market and unlike the Forsberg deal, I really don't see us adding a "mega star" again this season.

I anticipate one to two additions at forward (also have to consider that Colin Wilson *might* be ready to make an impact in a few months), but more along the lines of Ponikarovsky or Tanguay and not a guy like Kovalchuk. The biggest name I could see us adding would be Kariya, but I really don't see that happening either...

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While adding a game-breaking offensive talent like Kovalchuk would be great, it is not worth the price for a rental that has no chance of re-signing in Nashville.
What kind of contract do you think he would demand?

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What kind of contract do you think he would demand?
8/56 or 8/64. I can't see him signing for much less. Sure, a big market team might do one of the ridiculous 12 year deals with the last 2-3 years at 1 million or so, but essentially, you are looking at paying Ilya 7.-8.5 million a year for 6-8 years IMO. Salary cap wise, we could afford that. Finacially, we can't right now......not with the way we run our team.

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Would Kovy for Hornqvist and the rights to Radulov be fair? Who should add, and what?
Value-wise, Nashville would take this deal and head for the hills, I think, but there's this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that this wouldn't be a good move for us over the long-term. The two guys we're trading for Kovalchuk are the only two real forward talents we've cultivated in the 21st century so far. Trading both of them for Kovalchuk (a significantly better player than both of them, but one who would want far too much money for us to retain) just seems like an unwise move for a team with our financial constraints.

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If Kovy was only looking for 8 million\per, we'd still be out of the running...but the latest reports are that he's looking for more along the line of 11 million per, and isn't willing to back down.

He's not the best player in the league, he shouldn't be paid like he is.

As for that deal...if for whatever reason we decided to go balls out and acquire a franchise forward...with the intent to sign him, duh, of course I'd trade Hornqvist and Radulov...but...for strictly a rental...no way. Hornqvist is on pace for the best rookie goal scoring season a Preds forward has ever had. Just imagine if he was getting real icetime.

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Kovalchuk at 20-25% of the current Preds roster.

Nope, won't happen.

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To Atl:

Hamhuis
Rights to Radulov
Wilson
1st Round Pick

To Nash:

Kovy (signed for annual cap hit of 5M with a deal stretched out over 30 years if need be)

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To Atl:

Hamhuis
Rights to Radulov
Wilson
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To Nash:

Kovy (signed for annual cap hit of 5M with a deal stretched out over 30 years if need be)
Umm...you forgot the Right???

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Kovy is apparently upset with his teammates right now. I have a feeling he will be dealt soon.
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Assuming a contract would be in place, what would we give to get it done?

To Nash: Kovalchuk

To Atl: Klein, Sulzer, Blum, Rights to Radulov and 2010 pick?

* Not sure what they're in need of, wanna say defense? (And not too good with trade proposals)

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Assuming a contract would be in place, what would we give to get it done?

To Nash: Kovalchuk

To Atl: Klein, Sulzer, Blum, Rights to Radulov and 2010 pick?

* Not sure what they're in need of, wanna say defense? (And not too good with trade proposals)
Way way way too much for an impending FA.

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Way way way too much for an impending FA.
He said assuming a contract was in place, in which case it's Blum and spare parts, and thus not enough.

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He said assuming a contract was in place, in which case it's Blum and spare parts, and thus not enough.
I still disagree. I think Blum is worth quite a bit. He is essentially a ready to go, young, potential star defenseman. Additionally, Klein and Sulzer are both young, starting defenseman. I can't imagine there is a team in the league that would give up half a blueline AND throw in the rights to Radulov.

I mean, I know some of us around here are down on Klein or Sulzer, but dang....throw-ins? And Radulov may not be here, but he is still an asset. He is dominating in the KHL....Do we really have to give him away at this point?

We will see what happens. I love Kovalchuk, but dang....that is a huge price.

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I still disagree. I think Blum is worth quite a bit. He is essentially a ready to go, young, potential star defenseman. Additionally, Klein and Sulzer are both young, starting defenseman. I can't imagine there is a team in the league that would give up half a blueline AND throw in the rights to Radulov.

I mean, I know some of us around here are down on Klein or Sulzer, but dang....throw-ins? And Radulov may not be here, but he is still an asset. He is dominating in the KHL....Do we really have to give him away at this point?

We will see what happens. I love Kovalchuk, but dang....that is a huge price.
Klein and Sulzer are essentially dime-a-dozen defenders. Radulov, whether we like it or not, is a huge question mark and as a result has little tangible value.

To only have one item that really makes us cringe in a trade for a bonafide, top 5 scorer\superstar...if we could afford the salary, I can't see how we could turn it down.

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Assuming a contract would be in place, what would we give to get it done?

To Nash: Kovalchuk

To Atl: Klein, Sulzer, Blum, Rights to Radulov and 2010 pick?

* Not sure what they're in need of, wanna say defense? (And not too good with trade proposals)
They actually have a pretty packed defense, even with Kubina hitting the open market next summer. I'd probably pull Sulzer and Radulov out of that deal and put in a roster forward (probably Hornqvist) and our 2011 first rounder. That gives them at least four assets to build with, which is probably the best price they could get for a player that apparently wants out (which I still have a hard time buying after he was supposedly a big voice in some of their off-season activity last July).

Of course, this is all purely hypothetical: there's no way we could afford to pay Kovalchuk and then keep Weber and Suter, even if he came down on his price tag to play here. We would likely lose Hamhuis as well, meaning Josi would have to make the jump to the NHL right away.


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Hey y'all,

Thrashers fan here, and I have a lot of respect for what the Preds have been able to do in their history, and especially this season. Really wish Atlanta had the same leadership (Poile/Trotz) that Nashvegas has, but I'm glad to see a Southern market stick it to the Canadians/New Yorkers.

Anyway, it's looking more and more likely that Kovalchuk will not sign in Atlanta. I'm not sure if it's the lack of money (if that's the case, Nashville isn't a good suitor, either) or the lack of consistency. Personally, I think he just wants to move on. At any rate, in looking over the Nashville roster, I think Kovalchuk is EXACTLY the kind of player that could bolster your PP and give you the kind of offensive firepower to battle Chicago/Calgary/SJ in the playoffs. I understand you have an internal cap, but I think he could be fit in, especially were it for a deadline/cup run.

That said, what would you be willing to part with in exchange for a UFA-to-be Kovalchuk? I wouldn't expect a massive payment like what happened with the Forsberg trade, but what do you think is realistic? Understand that this is completely hypothetical as-it-is, and that this isn't a sign-and-trade.

Would Kovy for Hornqvist and the rights to Radulov be fair? Who should add, and what? I just think Nash and Atlanta can make good trading partners, and I'd like to see Kovalchuk, Nashville, and Atlanta succeed. Atlanta would need some young wingers/potential scoring coming back, as any trade would need to keep them in the playoff mix. If Nashville went deep with this kind of trade or even won the cup, I could completely see Kovy re-signing in Nash. He likes the pace of life in the South, and enjoys his relative anonymity away from the rink. He'd be miserable in a Toronto, for instance.

Just wanted to stir up some conversation, and don't mean to flame. What do y'all think?
Stick it to Canadians and New Yorkers? How do Canadians get grouped in with New Yorkers. Second of all, Canadians respect great hockey teams like the Preds, as per my Weber jersey hanging proudly in my bedroom. There is no sticking going on "y'all".

As for Kovy - I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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Nashville will NOT make a move to get ovy. Right now they have a blue collar team and it matches the personality of the coaching staff. Hornqvist is turning into Holmstrom jr and would be a rather big loss for the Preds. Kovy is too expensive to fit for the team. This team could pick up a mid-level goal scorer this is the type of move I could see Nashville making. Nashville has a solid core but it's special teams are hurting. If there was a way to pick up a PP specialist that would be great.

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While Kovalchuk would be great on this team I feel it would cost us to much to get him .. we dont have allot of forward depth in our system...
Hornqvist is a key part of our team for years to come I feel
Radulov I am one of the fans who would rather hold on to him till he comes back and if he doesnt oh well. we dont make a move that could kick us in the ass for years..

so all we could really offer is D prospects and picks
and myself id rather look at tor and get Poni for just a 2nd ...
That being said the thought of Kovalchuk makes me not be able to stand up
BUT, he could be an asset of value, that could return prospects from a team like washington who would be appealing to him, and also a team with prospects that could be spared for a chance at a stanley cup now....

Kovy will demand a huge pkg of prospects/picks, that steep price should only be paid by a team with a chance to win this year...
and knowing what i know about don waddell, he would want shea weber in return...and i donno about you guys, but i would love to have him on my team, so if thats what your willing to give up...

IMO; Atl would listen if you put something like this on the table
weber or suter+ellis
wilson
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1st and 2 2nds
bottom line, hes top 5 in the world, your gonna have to give 3 of ur top prospects for him...is it worth it?

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