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01-10-2010, 10:35 PM
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Visnovsky will be 38 years old at best when the Oilers are contenders and I'm sure Penner and Hemsky will flee at the earliest opportunity.
You really think that it will take 5-6 years for the Oilers to be contenders?
Well, if you trade away all those guys, it will take at least that long
Again, how do you know that Penner and Hemsky will flee?

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01-10-2010, 10:37 PM
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As i said, i would keep Visnovsky and Penner for sure Oh and Hemsky too
I would love to keep Souray too but we should trade him before he declines any further

KK if we go with what DSF says we could always sign the older veteran types that close to the end of careers but have a little gas left in tank to teach the kids it could work

but if all fails we can get mike off the staff and sign him to one year contract to teach some of our kids to win faceoffs

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01-10-2010, 10:49 PM
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You really think that it will take 5-6 years for the Oilers to be contenders?
Well, if you trade away all those guys, it will take at least that long
Again, how do you know that Penner and Hemsky will flee?
at most i think it will take 3-4 years for us to be real contenders but if were looking for a quick fix im sure we could be in the playoffs next year but at wut cost

lets go with it taking 3-4 years to rebuild keeping players like
Gagner, Mps,Eberle,smid,Brule,Hemsky, penner ,whoever we draft this year, lander,nash and cogs (only if we play him on the wing)

depending on who we draft the oilers lines can look something like this in 3-4 years
IMO
if we draft hall i can see us letting or trading penner in the future(a package with horcoff for a shut down d man +)

Hall Gagner Hemsky
Mps Brule Eberle
Nash Lander Cogs
____ _____ _____
(the ____ can be filled in with veteran dfensive forwards)

Smid Plante
Petry Pekham
_____ _____
(the ____ can be filled in with veteran shut down man)

goalie always a problem i say we either go for halak or harding or hope either DD, JDD or Roy get it together

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01-10-2010, 10:50 PM
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I can't imagine us NOT picking top-3 - Fowler, Seguin, Hall.

Leafs aren't tanking because they don't have their 1st. The Blue Jackets' fans will desert them if they tank. The Canes might, but they have pride and are so old that most will ponder retirement soon. The Ducks and Blues have too much pride to tank. The Blues made the playoffs this year and will try another run.

Oh sure, the Oilers can string some wins together, but I bet full tank mode will happen in the final ten games. You'll see players rested (fake injuries) and more call-ups from the AHL.

We just need a long term plan. Some NHL vets need to go and we need a prospect flush in Springfield.

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01-10-2010, 10:53 PM
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if we draft Tyler Seguin then we dont sign cogs package him and horcoff + for a good shut down d or LW with size

Penner Gagner Hemsky
Mps Seguin Eberle
Nash Lander Brule
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(the ____ can be filled in with veteran dfensive forwards)

Smid Plante
Petry Pekham
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01-10-2010, 10:54 PM
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You really think that it will take 5-6 years for the Oilers to be contenders?
Well, if you trade away all those guys, it will take at least that long
Again, how do you know that Penner and Hemsky will flee?
I don't know but I expect coming up with reasons why they would stay would be difficult.

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01-10-2010, 10:55 PM
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kk if we draft Fowler we trade visnovsky and horcoff for something

Penner Gagner Hemsky
Mps Brule Eberle
Nash Lander Cogs
____ _____ _____
(the ____ can be filled in with veteran dfensive forwards)

Smid Fowler
Petry Plante
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(the ____ can be filled in with veteran shut down man)

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01-10-2010, 10:56 PM
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if we draft Tyler Seguin then we dont sign cogs package him and horcoff + for a good shut down d or LW with size

Penner Gagner Hemsky
Mps Seguin Eberle
Nash Lander Brule
____ _____ _____
(the ____ can be filled in with veteran dfensive forwards)

Smid Plante
Petry Pekham
_____ _____
(the ____ can be filled in with veteran shut down man)
Plugging rookies into a lineup without decent CHEAP veteran support is a recipe for disaster.

See Coyotes, Phoenix, last year and now.

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01-10-2010, 10:58 PM
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i see hemsky being part of the plan for a long time but because (now this is only because i havent seen steping it up as a leader) of his lack of heart he will never be captain in a few years i see that being eberle, gagner or cogs if we keep him

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Plugging rookies into a lineup without decent CHEAP veteran support is a recipe for disaster.

See Coyotes, Phoenix, last year and now.
all these line ups for the future like i said in about 3-4 years they wont be rookies then but i see wut ur talking about

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kk if we draft Fowler we trade visnovsky and horcoff for something

Penner Gagner Hemsky
Mps Brule Eberle
Nash Lander Cogs
____ _____ _____
(the ____ can be filled in with veteran dfensive forwards)

Smid Fowler
Petry Plante
_____ Pekham
(the ____ can be filled in with veteran shut down man)
It is cute how in your proposals Horcoff magically becomes trade-able.

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all these line ups for the future like i said in about 3-4 years they wont be rookies then but i see wut ur talking about
where are Horcoff and Khabibulin?

They aren't going anywhere.

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I don't know but I expect coming up with reasons why they would stay would be difficult.
not really, if the Oilers show improvements over the next couple of years and have some very good young players then maybe they want to be a part of a young exciting team up and coming team that his headed towards being a contender....
Look at Colorado, Phoenix, Islanders and St.Louis last year..... If those teams can make huge improvements, why couldn't the Oilers.....
The Oilers prospect pool with a top pick this year included is amongst the best in the league and could aid in a quick turnaround, i don't see why not

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not really, if the Oilers show improvements over the next couple of years and have some very good young players then maybe they want to be a part of a young exciting team....
Look at Colorado, Phoenix, Islanders and St.Louis last year..... If those teams can make huge improvements, why couldn't the Oilers.....
The Oilers prospect pool with a top pick this year included is amongst the best in the league and could aid in a quick turnaround, i don't see why not
No it isn't.

Not even close.

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Sell every asset that will not be part of a contending team 5 years from now.
I agree with this to an extent. You can't have a mass fire sale, but right now this team needs to look at right now and who cannot help them in the immediate future and then long term plans can start to be made. This team will still need some vets to go forward with, just so the young players don't get thrown to the wolves.

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No it isn't.

Not even close.
I knew you would say that,
I would say that if they get Hall, Seguin or Fowler and add that to MPS, Eberle, Lander, Petry etc. i would say that it's definitely in the upper echelon of prospect talent in the league especially the forwards.
So what makes you think that it'll take 5-6 years to be a contender? I gave you the examples of the Islanders and especially Phoenix and Colorado being teams that turned it around quickly..... What makes you think that the Oilers can't be another one of those teams in the next couple of years?

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I agree with this to an extent. You can't have a mass fire sale, but right now this team needs to look at right now and who cannot help them in the immediate future and then long term plans can start to be made. This team will still need some vets to go forward with, just so the young players don't get thrown to the wolves.
Yes they will but you don't have to pay 5 million plus for declining players to get that.

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I knew you would say that,
I would say that if they get Hall, Seguin or Fowler and add that to MPS, Eberle, Lander, Petry etc. i would say that it's definitely in the upper echelon of prospect talent in the league especially the forwards.
So what makes you think that it'll take 5-6 years to be a contender? I gave you the examples of the Islanders and especially Phoenix and Colorado being teams that turned it around quickly..... What makes you think that the Oilers can't be another one of those teams in the next couple of years?
Ask yourself:

Do the Oilers have a franchise goalie in the system? No.

Do the Oilers have a top pairing defenseman in the system? No.

Do the Oilers have a world class centre in the system? No.

How about a winger. Maybe.

have I missed something?

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Ask yourself:

Do the Oilers have a franchise goalie in the system? No.

Do the Oilers have a top pairing defenseman in the system? No.

Do the Oilers have a world class centre in the system? No.

How about a winger. Maybe.

have I missed something?

Goalie is the big weakness and that's why i suggest that we should trade for Halak, some people think that Petry could be a top pairing defenseman and that's why a top 3 pick would be huge Seguin would be that world class center or Fowler would be that franchise defenseman prospect....MPS and Eberle both look like blue chippers.
Prospects are all subjective anyway and we are just going to wind up going in circles so we'll see what happens.
All i'm saying is that a quick turnaround is not out of the realm of possibilities because as i cited with those other teams as examples, it's not that uncommon especially in a cap world.

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Goalie is the big weakness and that's why i suggest that we should trade for Halak, some people think that Petry could be a top pairing defenseman and that's why a top 3 pick would be huge Seguin would be that world class center or Fowler would be that franchise defenseman prospect....MPS and Eberle both look like blue chippers.
Prospects are all subjective anyway and we are just going to wind up going in circles so we'll see what happens.
All i'm saying is that a quick turnaround is not out of the realm of possibilities because as i cited with those other teams as examples, it's not that uncommon especially in a cap world.
The teams you cited already had those pieces for the most part.

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Ask yourself:

Do the Oilers have a franchise goalie in the system? No.

Halak

Do the Oilers have a top pairing defenseman in the system? No.

Smid is going to be our top pairing Dman

Do the Oilers have a world class centre in the system? No.

Seguin

How about a winger. Maybe.

MPS, Eberle, Hemmer, Penner

have I missed something?

You've missed everything
Welcome back DSF.

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Yes they will but you don't have to pay 5 million plus for declining players to get that.
I have no problem with Visnovsky and Souray being paid, they can still play at a high level (when healthy). Horcoff I have an issue with, but its said and done and nothing can be done about it now. Penner and Hemsky should be given one more year (for the love of the maker find Hemsky a shooter) to prove themselves and let the young players come in and forge their identity on this team, and then can this team only go forward. In my mind Moreau and Staios cannot stay, the pecking order needs to be reset.

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Welcome back DSF.
Well, since the Oliers don't have Halak, Smid would be a rather underwhelming franchise defenseman, Penner et al are not first rate players etc. I would have to say your blueprint is a little fuzzy.

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The teams you cited already had those pieces for the most part.
You sure about that?
Who's the Islanders blue chip defenseman prospect, who's their franchise goalie (don't even say Dipietro) that is currently on the team? Who are their world class wingers?
Colorado - Who's their franchise defenseman?
Phoenix - Where are all their blue chip prospects? I have no idea how they are doing it.

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I have no problem with Visnovsky and Souray being paid, they can still play at a high level (when healthy). Horcoff I have an issue with, but its said and done and nothing can be done about it now. Penner and Hemsky should be given one more year (for the love of the maker find Hemsky a shooter) to prove themselves and let the young players come in and forge their identity on this team, and then can this team only go forward. In my mind Moreau and Staios cannot stay, the pecking order needs to be reset.
That's just spinning wheels.

What is the result in 3 to 5 years?

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