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Rangers Prospect Poll: #7

View Poll Results: Who's the 7th most valuable Rangers prospect?
Michael Sauer 1 0.87%
Matt Gilroy 28 24.35%
Ethan Werek 1 0.87%
Ilkka Heikkinen 3 2.61%
Chad Johnson 2 1.74%
Chris Kreider 80 69.57%
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01-11-2010, 09:09 PM
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Rangers Prospect Poll: #7

In a closest contest yet, Ryan McDonagh took 56% in round 7.

The vote for the prospect to be added to the poll was:

Heineken: 8
Ryan Bourque: 7
Weise: 3
Byers: 2
Hagelin: 2
(Again not sure why there's so little love for Beer on this forum. The only reason he barely got above Bourque who's no where near him, is that I also voted in this round. Come on people, an NHL-ready prospect beats someone who is having a so-so rookie season in the QMJHL.)

Don't forget to vote who should be added this round.

TOP PROSPECTS

1. D Michael Del Zotto
2. C Artem Anisimov
3. LW Evgeny Grachev
4. C Derek Stepan
5. D Bobby Sanguinetti
6. D Ryan McDonagh

2007-08 U. of Wisconsin NCAA 40 5 7 12 42
2008-09 U. of Wisconsin NCAA 36 5 11 16 59
2009-10 U. of Wisconsin NCAA 20 3 8 11 39


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01-11-2010, 09:12 PM
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This round should be a Potential vs. Readiness fight: Gilroy who's already in the NHL, playing 18 minutes per vs. Kreider, a big, fast, good scorer who's raw. Not trying to tip anyone's hand, so you can vote for whoever you choose, but this looks like it will be a round where readiness vs. potential is the most pronounced.

I'm going with Kreider. You can always acquire a 4-5 defenseman as a free agent, and usually not for too much money. But it's the top-end talent that makes or breaks a team. If Kreider pans out, it will be big for the club. Very big.

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For the longest time I was wondering who the hell "Beer" was...

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This round should be a Potential vs. Readiness fight: Gilroy who's already in the NHL, playing 18 minutes per vs. Kreider, a big, fast, good scorer who's raw. Not trying to tip anyone's hand, so you can vote for whoever you choose, but this looks like it will be a round where readiness vs. potential is the most pronounced.

I'm going with Kreider. You can always acquire a 4-5 defenseman as a free agent, and usually not for too much money. But it's the top-end talent that makes or breaks a team. If Kreider pans out, it will be big for the club. Very big.
Gilroy is not going to get any better? He hit his wall already 40 games into his NHL career?

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Kreider.

Then:
Johnson
Werek
Hagelin
Bourque

I don't care where Gilroy goes because he's 25 or 26 and in the NHL already.

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For the longest time I was wondering who the hell "Beer" was...

Me too.

Kreider, then Gilroy
add Bourque

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Kreider. Simply put, he needs more experience and development. He has a chance to be the best player on this list, but, he still needs time. Add Byers, who should be playing on the 4th line in NY.

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Gilroy. He's made it as a third pairing defenseman. I don't think he has that much further to go before he becomes a good second pairing guy. Considering he hasn't even played the position for five years yet, I think he's on an excellent track.

Add Carl Hagelin. Having a great season at Michigan. He's a lock to play in the NHL in some capacity.

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For the longest time I was wondering who the hell "Beer" was...
Do ya get it now? Heikkinen sounds a lot like Heineken.

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Kreider, should be NHL ready in a few years, really great speed. Add Heik.

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Kreider, add Hagelin.

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Gilroy is not going to get any better? He hit his wall already 40 games into his NHL career?
I didn't say that. But his potential isn't as a game-breaker. Right now, he's an above average #6 defenseman and a below average #5. His potential is to be an above average #4. But that's not something that will make or break a franchise. We can always acquire someone like that or at least rent one at the trading deadline if that's what we will be missing to win the Cup.

If Kreider turns into a 40 goal scorer, that's not something you can just acquire on the cheap midway through the season.

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Gilroy is not going to get any better? He hit his wall already 40 games into his NHL career?
I personally don't think Gilroy has the build or skillset required to be much more than a 4th d-man if he's lucky. He doesn't have much of a shot at all, he doesn't have great size. He's got speed and he's great with the puck. I think coming in to this I expected his vision and passing to be a lot better, and maybe MDZ has spoiled us a little bit, but that to me is the most dissapointing thing and something that isn't just going to change after one season for him.

I went with Kreider, add Bourque

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Kreider again. Add Hagelin.


Gilly next.

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Kreider, add Weise!

Gilroy, Werek, Weise, Hagelin, Bourque for me

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I didn't say that. But his potential isn't as a game-breaker. Right now, he's an above average #6 defenseman and a below average #5. His potential is to be an above average #4. But that's not something that will make or break a franchise. We can always acquire someone like that or at least rent one at the trading deadline if that's what we will be missing to win the Cup.

If Kreider turns into a 40 goal scorer, that's not something you can just acquire on the cheap midway through the season.
And right now Kreider is a freshman in college having a decent but not spectacular season. Kreider is far from a lock to be even an NHL player, let alone a 40 goal scorer. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Gilroy, add Bourque

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For the longest time I was wondering who the hell "Beer" was...
Honestly, I thought Weise was beer. Weissbier.

Anyway, I voted Gilroy. Add beer

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And right now Kreider is a freshman in college having a decent but not spectacular season. Kreider is far from a lock to be even an NHL player, let alone a 40 goal scorer. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Gilroy, add Bourque
This was my thinking exactly. Gilroy add Weise.

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(Again not sure why there's so little love for Beer on this forum. The only reason he barely got above Bourque who's no where near him, is that I also voted in this round. Come on people, an NHL-ready prospect beats someone who is having a so-so rookie season in the QMJHL.)
But it makes sense that you would vote for Kreider, who is having a "so-so" season in the NCAA, over Gilroy, who is "NHL-ready"?

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Kreider has a higher ceiling than anyone already on the list except for perhaps MDZ and Grachev. Easy choice.

Having said that, I think that Gilroy is getting a bit of a raw deal here. We saw a very different player in the preseason and early on, but he had to rein it in to be more responsible on the defensive side (or at least that's my read). If he can ever find the balance between his breakneck rushes and still play credible defense, I think he can be a second pairing guy who averages 40 or so points.

Add Hagelin. Still underrated 2 and a half years after we drafted him. Complete player who continues to progress, particularly on offense. I'm convinced he'll be at least a good third liner, with like a 30% chance of becoming a good second liner and a 10% chance of even becoming a first liner.

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Kreider add Weise.

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But it makes sense that you would vote for Kreider, who is having a "so-so" season in the NCAA, over Gilroy, who is "NHL-ready"?
Yes it does based on his actual ability being far superior to Bourque's. He's half a foot taller, 40 pounds heavier, significantly faster with a better shot.

Kreider has All Star potential. I am not seeing that at all in Bourque. At most, he's a second liner and more likely, the guy will be too small to crack the NHL.

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i had a very hard time with this...even though i love Kreiders ceiling, its tough to ignore Sauer, and Gilroy....

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Haha, sure sure I "get it" but I surely won't be using it.

Also I noticed everyone pronounces his name like HAY-kih-nehn (as it says on the rangers website) but when he introduces himself in the starting lineups he says HI-kih-nehn. idk.

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