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01-13-2010, 04:40 PM
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Defensemen who are/were products of their partners

Here's a few I thought of:

Dennis Wideman (Chara) - someone one here had him in his Olympic squad based on his 'statistical formulas'

Mike Komisarek (Markov) - an apparent 5 million dollar all-star

Francois Beauchemin (Niedermayer) - actually got an invite to the team Canada camp

Just wondering, how did Orpik look when Gonchar was out?

Any defenseman you can think of? Disagree with my choices?

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lol 2 of the 3 are Leafs... Haven't we Leaf fans been threw enough this season, without having a team full of product defensemen?

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lol 2 of the 3 are Leafs... Haven't we Leaf fans been threw enough this season, without having a team full of product defensemen?
Hey, at least you got rid of McCabe.

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Hey, at least you got rid of McCabe.
For mike van ryn, a product of the health system.

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all of lidstrom's defense partners except for maybe rafalski

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Guys like Beauchemin actually played well though...maybe it is a mental thing? Or they cannot handle a different role

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Here's a few I thought of:

Dennis Wideman (Chara) - someone one here had him in his Olympic squad based on his 'statistical formulas'

Mike Komisarek (Markov) - an apparent 5 million dollar all-star

Francois Beauchemin (Niedermayer) - actually got an invite to the team Canada camp

Just wondering, how did Orpik look when Gonchar was out?

Any defenseman you can think of? Disagree with my choices?
Wideman RARELY played with Chara. RARELY. Chara was paired with Aaron Ward for the good chunk of the season.

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Guys like Beauchemin actually played well though...maybe it is a mental thing? Or they cannot handle a different role
Beauchemin was never that good. Even Ducks fans will tell you that.

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Keith and Seabrook are somewhat products of each other. I believe this is their 5th straight season paired together. Neither would be as effective playing with someone else.

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Keith and Seabrook are somewhat products of each other. I believe this is their 5th straight season paired together. Neither would be as effective playing with someone else.
I don't think that is math, its more chemistry.

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Brian Rafalski is a pretty good defenseman, very good at times, but for awhile he was a a huge product of playing with Scott Stevens. He was always a great quarterback and offensive player, but he shined only the defensive side of things thanks to Stevens at the beginning of his career.

Now, "product of" is only really possible when players are complimentary toward each other. That's not to say that Rafalski didn't have talent, Stevens was just an excellent balance for him. I haven't seen any games with him on the Wings, but I bet that Lidstrom is too.

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Wideman RARELY played with Chara. RARELY. Chara was paired with Aaron Ward for the good chunk of the season.
Really? Why was I under that assumption, maybe the powerplay?

Huh.

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Pretty much any marginal defenseman who played a few seasons with an elite defenseman. They usually go back to their standard level after that. And if they didn't... well, then they probably weren't a product of the other guy.

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Marc-Andre Bergeron when he was paired with Pronger on the Oilers

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Adrian Aucoin. Nominated for the Norris, finished 3rd or 4th in voting with Kenny Johnson. Really, anyone who has played KJ had their play raised exponentially.

MAB when he was paired with Tom Poti on the Islanders. Poti was a rock that year and made MAB look like stud.

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Keith and Seabrook are somewhat products of each other. I believe this is their 5th straight season paired together. Neither would be as effective playing with someone else.
Keith can play with anybody and make them look good.

Seabrook not so much.

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Marc-Andre Bergeron when he was paired with Pronger on the Oilers
This.

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Hey, at least you got rid of McCabe.
Mccabe was/is terribly underrated. Big mistake trading him. Notice the citicism stopped once he was traded? All Toronto hyperbole.

BTW, Komisarek makes 4.5 million.

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Beauchemin was never that good. Even Ducks fans will tell you that.
This ducks fan agrees.. when nieds went into his mini-retirement/vacation, he looked lost and tried to be something he wasn't (a mobile, #1 defensemen like nieds as opposed to the #3-4 stay at home defenseman he was).

don't get to see him as much anymore, but any ducks fan can attest to beauch being a product of scotty.

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The insufferable "leech!" meme, popularized on HF, is now applied to defensemen.

And when a few of us suggest playing the game to garner a better appreciation of it - and to avoid such silly theories - we are ripped for having an elitist attitude. No, we're simply trying to help others avoid such nonsense.

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I've watched Henrik Tallinder play for years and he is a completely different player now that he is paired with Tyler Myers.

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Suffice to say, Seabrook is not an Olympian if not for Keith

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Karel Rachunek when he was paired with Wade Redden sort of fits the bill.

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Don Sweeney.

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The insufferable "leech!" meme, popularized on HF, is now applied to defensemen.
Need to pair Jay Leach with Dan Boyle one day then.

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