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01-14-2010, 11:02 PM
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Fleury > Osgood

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01-14-2010, 11:10 PM
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Fleury has not played to his capabilities this season. He's been very inconsistent. He'll never be a stats goalie by any means, but he needs to be better. He is giving up a questionable goal or two just about every game.

I maintain full faith that he will come around in the playoffs. His efforts tonight and last night have been encouraging.

He is better than Chris Osgood.

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01-14-2010, 11:18 PM
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It's easy to forget that he's only 25, which is when a lot of goalies are only breaking into the NHL.

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01-14-2010, 11:21 PM
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No, he's not.

He needs to amass a mere 384 wins to go along with 74 playoff victories, resulting in 3 cups.

Surely he's Osgood's equal though.

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01-14-2010, 11:25 PM
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I don't see the problem with the comparisons.

Fleury won his first cup at 25. So did Osgood.

Fleury has been considered to let in a few stinkers at strange times. So did Osgood.

Fleury is playing behind some top end talent. So did Osgood (though much more depth).

Fleury could win another cup with the Penguins and I don't see that as too far-fetched. Osgood won a cup as well.

So personally I don't see the problem with Fleury being compared to a guy who is in top 10 in wins and has two cups to his name (inb4 the system).


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01-14-2010, 11:30 PM
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Fleury is and will be just an average goalie until he can become consistent.

The past month or so he's been brutal at times.

He won a cup...hooray, that doesn't make him a star goalie.
i agree. he is nowhere near an elite goalie as some pens fans say he is. he's an average goalie who won a cup on a very good team that could of won with any average goalie.

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01-14-2010, 11:37 PM
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If the last few games are any indication, he is returning to top form.

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01-15-2010, 12:05 AM
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A lot of goalies would do the same with a lineup like he has in front of him.
Their lineup is okay. they have 3 elite players playing in front of him and a great shutdown center and some decent supporting players. Lots of teams have that. Well, lots of elite teams.


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01-15-2010, 12:12 AM
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Well Quick had a shutout tonight, so that makes only Fleury. But I think Fleury is a very good goaltender, just having a subpar season. Could be a case where the defense isn't allowing many shots, just good scoring chances. All that really matters is how many W's you can get... just ask the Red Wings

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01-15-2010, 12:16 AM
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he is still young and the playofss are the only thing that matter

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01-15-2010, 12:17 AM
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Fleury > Osgood
right now, yes. entire career, no

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01-15-2010, 12:18 AM
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Fleury is and will be just an average goalie until he can become consistent.

The past month or so he's been brutal at times.

He won a cup...hooray, that doesn't make him a star goalie.
Exactly the way I see it.

He's a good goalie. No more, no less.

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01-15-2010, 12:35 AM
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Fleury is a ton more talented than Osgood...Osgood would have been pretty good if he played from 1979-1994, he looks like a goalie from that time with his style...Fleury has some of the best raw talent to come into the league in quite some time, he goes through stretches like a lot of young goalies (Lundqvist for starters)...

He's still figuring it all out, in the mean time, he's had some epic playoff performances...

On the plus side, he went from "Fleury a bust?" to "Fleury a fluke?" to "Fleury a goalie to be lucky on a good team? (but with mentions of his playoff clutchness)" I can only imagine what happens when he enters his prime..."Fleury a top 5 goalie?" "Fleury a Vezina candidate?" should be interesting, he has all the talent in the world to make it happen...

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01-15-2010, 12:40 AM
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He's good but kinda overrated... he's the only goalie in the league who can have a .908 save % and a 2.6 GAA and still have 25 wins because he plays for high scoring, Stanley cup winner team...

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01-15-2010, 12:41 AM
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Fleury is a ton more talented than Osgood...Osgood would have been pretty good if he played from 1979-1994, he looks like a goalie from that time with his style...Fleury has some of the best raw talent to come into the league in quite some time, he goes through stretches like a lot of young goalies (Lundqvist for starters)...

He's still figuring it all out, in the mean time, he's had some epic playoff performances...

On the plus side, he went from "Fleury a bust?" to "Fleury a fluke?" to "Fleury a goalie to be lucky on a good team? (but with mentions of his playoff clutchness)" I can only imagine what happens when he enters his prime..."Fleury a top 5 goalie?" "Fleury a Vezina candidate?" should be interesting, he has all the talent in the world to make it happen...
how can u say fleury is tons more talanted when u say he is still figuring it all out? he is a result of a very good team in front of him just like the osgood bashers say about osgood

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01-15-2010, 12:43 AM
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Fleury has not played to his capabilities this season. He's been very inconsistent. He'll never be a stats goalie by any means, but he needs to be better. He is giving up a questionable goal or two just about every game.

I maintain full faith that he will come around in the playoffs. His efforts tonight and last night have been encouraging.

He is better than Chris Osgood.
The Pens have generally played a wide open style based on the shot quality numbers and rely on MAF to make big saves. He hasn't been great this year but has been much better in years past then his SV% would lead you to believe.

He's already better then Osgood ever was IMO and still growing.

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01-15-2010, 12:53 AM
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No, he's not.

He needs to amass a mere 384 wins to go along with 74 playoff victories, resulting in 3 cups.

Surely he's Osgood's equal though.
Well, he's only 260 regular season wins, 43 play-off wins and 2 cups away from that with 12 years to work on him.

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01-15-2010, 02:10 AM
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Fleury is extremely talented. I think most people would agree he possesses better physical abilities than Chris Osgood. Osgood was and is a good serviceable goaltender for the Red Wings. Osgood played with a consistently well disciplined team, with a defensive stud in front of him. While Fleury does have a very good team in front of him, I wouldn't say he has had the caliber of defense that Osgood was fortunate to have. As far as him being a superstar... He is a game-changer and often times keeps the Pens in a game where they are being outplayed. There's only one Brodeur, and one Luongo. I'm just glad Fleury will have a chance to work with them in Vancouver. Also, saying that any (or many) average goaltenders would have won a cup behind the Penguins, is bold and in my opinion, inaccurate.
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01-15-2010, 02:19 AM
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Fleury is one of the most athletically gifted goaltenders in NHL history. He is very naturally talented, which I believe to be both a blessing and a curse. Obviously talent is important, but it seems that he relies too much on his natural abilities and falls back on them a lot. He needs to combine his athletic gifts with good technical skills on a consistent basis if he ever reach his potential, which is extraordinarily high. If he fails to put it all together and remains as is, he'll still be a very good goalie, but not elite. If he does figure it out one day, then I have no doubt he'll be dominant.

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01-15-2010, 02:20 AM
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Lundqvist is and will be just an average goalie until he can become consistent.

The past month or so he's been brutal at times.

He hasn't won a cup...hooray, that doesn't make him a star goalie.

So, what does then?

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01-15-2010, 02:30 AM
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Fleury is a very good goalie. He's a little less consistent than the truly elite goalies in the league. However, he's also about as physically talented as any goalie in the league and he can steal games when he's on. He isn't protected by a boring/trapping team that keeps shots & chances to a minimum. The Pens ask him to make many high degree of difficulty saves because they want to play very aggressive.

Anyway, He's a winner and that's all that matters.

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Fleury is one of the most athletically gifted goaltenders in NHL history. He is very naturally talented, which I believe to be both a blessing and a curse. Obviously talent is important, but it seems that he relies too much on his natural abilities and falls back on them a lot. He needs to combine his athletic gifts with good technical skills on a consistent basis if he ever reach his potential, which is extraordinarily high. If he fails to put it all together and remains as is, he'll still be a very good goalie, but not elite. If he does figure it out one day, then I have no doubt he'll be dominant.
This is spot on, at least to how I feel about the issue. Combine his ability with a strong dedication to technique and increased mental toughness, you have a superstar.
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01-15-2010, 02:32 AM
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Fleury has the coordination and the flexibility to be the best goalie in the nhl, and he's still relatively young at 25.

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I think he's a bit like Carey Price. Great potential, consistency issues, will stop lots of good scoring chances and sometimes let in a weak goal. They're both still young and could end up being great goalies in the future though.

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Good goalie on a very good team meaning he needs to be decent most nights and great every now and then to do his job.

Is that Osgood? I don't know. The Penguins haven't actively tried to replace Fleury for years on end.

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